Larry Holmes - There Should Be a Size limit On The Heavyweight s!

Quite right. The gap between Cruiser and Heavy nowadays is too much. Maybe an interim weight category of 200 lbs - 230lbs?

 

We're talking Utopia here! Would be great though.

 

Cruiser is heavyweight though. Because it is over 175. Just drop the cruiserweight name. Go back to calling them heavyweight.

when Amateur Superheavyweights turn pro, there should be a separate professional division for them to go into. Preferably one called Superheavyweight that is not connected in anyway shape of form to the history of the original HW division.

These athletes could never exist in the past anyway. They do not descend from Joe Louis and Jack Dempsey.

 

Where are the 215-220 pounders ? You just don't see today's heavyweights feasting on 190 pound me and men who's best fighting weight is 201-220 are out of the game. That why I'm for creating a new division. Above cruiser. 201-220. There already is one, not sure it it taken seriously. But if you want to see men of this size it needs to be adopted by the fans.

 

Where are the 215-220 pounders?

You know where they are. They are roiding themselves into 240 pounders to compete with a handful of taller guys who (without advances in science) would be nothing more than gangly oafs with thin arms, long necks and protruding Adam’s apples.

back when fighters really were 220 on their own, your talking about the Ali, Norton, Larry Holmes to Tyson sized guys.. and everyone of them was better at 210-216 anyway.

The 220 became average around the fat boy lost generation time. When guys like Tubbs and page upped the weight average of 6’3” guys. Nothing was natural about it. No progression.

Then along came modern training.

A generation of guys taller than the generation who listed themselves 6’3” who competed at the brand new weight class called Superheavyweight as Amatuers were wrongly allowed to compete at traditional heavyweight.

The earlier sized men, who were heavyweights, now those guys bulk up. They weigh what they weigh because of the time they fight at just to avoid being categorised as cruiserweights. They have to fight the new athletes who were unable to make an impact on the sport before advances in science made them relevant.

The answer here is obvious. Dump the word Cruiserweight. List every Cruiserweight as a heavyweight. And list what is incorrectly regarded as “heavyweight” today as Superheavyweights…just like it is in Amatuer boxing.

 

They're cruiserweights. They are cutting weight to make cruiser.

 

Not everything lol.

 

I get that but there comes a point where cutting weigh isn't feasible. And we don't see that wight today at 215-230 in fights.

I might do a fight explaining the major advantages or disadvantages or having a significant height and reach disparity that modern cruiser weight guys experience at heavyweight. Or used to experience.

 

I've said it before. The most interesting heavyweight boxers of all time were about ~190-220 lbs and ~ 6.0 - 6.3 tall. Louis, Dempsey, Marciano, Liston, Patteron, Tyson, Foreman, Walcott etc. They all had spectacular knockout capabilities but were agile, crafty and explosive unlike today's dinosaurs. They all had their own style and offered a high work rate. It would be nice to see such fighters again. But you rarely see these type of fighters around anymore. I really like Frank Sanchez at the moment.

For us to see these spectacular fighters back as elite level contenders, we need to either rethink the interpretation of the rules or revoloutionize the weight class system.

A significantly smaller man can't be dangerous to Fury if he's constantly clinching, leaning on him, pushing him away, stiff arming, etc. No matter if Derek Chisora weights 220 or 260 lbs. Therefore, the refs should make sure that these fouls are sanctioned more, and deduct points more regularly. In the lower weight classes: all fighters are kinda the same size and weight. All are mximal lean and dehydrated. ->BORING! There is literally a different class every 3 lbs. So here we have an abundance of weight classes but on the other end of the range we have a lack.
That's why I think there should be 2-3 classes between Light Heavyweight and the "Fury class".

 

I made a thread about this awhile back …and I was ridiculed …I guess me and Larry are both crazy

 

Thank goodness

 

I hear you, but men Dempsey, Louis, Marciano, and Patterson size are not found in the heavyweight division today! Not all heavies over 240 pounds ( which is most around today ) clinch the man to death ,mostly Fury does. He is staining his title boxing his bogus tile fights with vs. old and skilless. Hrgovic, Jalolov, Sanchez, Usuy, and Makhmudov do not clinch much at all. But Fury won't fight young contenders or any contender besides the hyped Wilder.

Your are right. 2-3 weight classes beyond light heavyweight is what we need.

 

Yeah but they’re called the wrong thing now. If they’re heavyweights now, stop calling them “cruisers”.

surely it’s time to call cruisers HW now?

These superheavyweights are not the direct descendants of Joe Louis or Jack Dempsey. They are unrelated. the new division boxing thought it had was always SHW. Cruiser was a disaster. A lie. You don’t change the name of guys who were there first!

Amateur boxing got it right. They kept HW where it was. They did not feel the urge to mess with history. Preserved it the way it always was.
Rather than call heavyweights “cruisers” They gave a new division to a new size of athletes once they arrived. It was the right thing to do.

pro boxing got it wrong. Look what they did!