Larry Holmes vs. Max Baer

Galento had an ATG hook and chin as well.

 

He wasn't Tua on either count.

 

That's arguable. I say they are on par with each other.

 

Missed that you edited this post. It's a more sensible claim with Coetzee instead of Tate but I still completely disagree. A pretty ugly fight for its era but Weaver and Coetzee still look more together in the 13th round of their fight than these guys did in the very beginning of theirs. Better movement, better jabs, better combinations, more precise punching from range, even better balance (less falling in with punches).

 

They are on par only in the sense that both were boxers.

 

How do you prove one was more effective than the other when they produced similar results?

Unless you want to argue something crazy like Galento's hook would bounce off Rahman and Tua's hook would literally knock Joe Louis into space?


They both dropped, hurt, or KOed men with their hook. They even weighed in the same range in shape, so can't fall back on that.What is the proof that Tua had a greater hook?

 

One was wee bit better in setting up his hook. One also had a right hand of some note. One was a better all around boxer.

They both were not the most dedicated to training at times.

 

No, they don't.

Better movement? No. Baer and Coetzee are both walking around because they can. Weaver is following, Levinsky is the only one using any sort of movement.

Better jabs? Ugh. Coetzee and Baer are both just sticking their long left out there to create distance and measure.

Even Better balance? Baer bombs his right but is in position to clinch and avoid counters. Coetzee bombs his right and falls into huge bombs, that's how he in fact gets knocked out in the 13th.

 

My comment was their "ATG hook and chin" were on par.

I think Galento was a little better at setting up the left hook off the jab parry.

 

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We were talking about hooks and chins.

Galento had some tko loses (explain away, I haven't watched them all). Tua ate punches from Ibeabuchi and Lewis for 24 rounds without falling down.

Tua waxed a former lineal champ in seconds. Tua stopped a prime contender who would soon be lineal champ. And he stopped Ruiz in seconds, who made a respectable run as a contender and belt holder and typically was durable. Add the Maskaev stoppage.

Galento lacks this kind of evidence in either department.

 

:nut

 

This is just false. Baer's "in position to clinch" because he falls in with his punches, like an amateur brawler. Coetzee didn't fall in at all. He leaned in but still had his balance & his weight on his feet when he got caught by the huge Weaver counter. Fatigue probably played as big a role in the ko than anything.

 

That post wasn't a reply to you.

Nothing to explain. He was stopped on cuts and quit on his stool a few times.

Galento was dropped once. Tua dropped once...officially. Neither man ever knocked out.

And Galento was not dropped by Buddy, Max, Nova...etc


Galento knocked out contenders Nova, Mann, Thomas, Haynes, and Attore.

Galento does not lack evidence in these departments.

 

So you got to the point where you are arguing the superftior technique is the one that sees you fall head first into a brutal counter. Call me crazy, but Baer's technique of getting in the position he wants after missing and safe from counters seems more appealing and professional.


Good thing, Baer was a supreme athlete that didn't get tired in 20 round brawls in his prime.


Maybe if Coetzee fought more like an amateur and didn't get tired he would have won...

 

**** you.