Larry Holmes vs Povetkin

If you lined up Takam, Chambers, Perez, and Chagaev, Cooney wouldn't beat them all.

 

early I said ken Norton wasent a great fighter I take that back he's a great fighter he fought in a great era .who fought better fighters Norton or pedvktin ?

 

That's short bus logic.

 

I think he would.

 

If you created odds for each fight, you'd find out that his chance would definitely be worse than 50-50 if you worked the math out. Nevermind that he likely wouldn't show up in top form for all of those fights.

 

He had a fight scheduled with Carlos Takam this month, he was not on holiday. So I'm not sure where this "no prep or training" claim is coming from. He did fight in his trainers, but that's a failing on his team, it's been said he was on standby and he had a fight scheduled with Takam in January. Giving him the second knockout loss of his career in quicker time than Wilder is the not the worse result, it could have been a Spoon/Bonecrusher II situation.

Frankly, most heavyweights have been on performance boosters of some kind or another since the 90s. Povetkin wasn't busted with hormone or steroid, so I'm not going to give him too much **** over it.

Briedis like most modern cruisers is a 215 pound heavyweight and a brutal punching one at that. It wasn't a back foot punch either, it was a beautiful fully leveraged uppercut Charr didn't see coming. Povetkin and Briedis are the only men to drop and KO Charr in his 4 losses.

Hyperbole nonsense. Holmes would lose some rounds here, he usually did and too lesser fighters than Povetkin, unless you are under the delusion Alexander is the worst opponent of Holmes' career...I mean, okay, if you say so.

 

I think I would take Chambers over Cooney to be sure.

 

There were many who picked him to beat a prime Holmes so I'd say the odds are pretty good. And I already acknowledged that he probably wouldn't have lasted longterm as povetkin did over a stretched career but asked you which fighter you'd pick to beat him on an individual basis. Rather than selecting one or two fighters you naturally came back with a road schedule..

 

Cooney was grossly overrated going into the Holmes fight, granted he gave him some problems.

If you say a boxer would be a 4:1 favorite in a fight, the odds of the fighter winning with those odds four straight times is 41%. I'm not even saying Conney would have odds that good against Chambers and Chagaev.

 

I think he'd do okay against the 36 year old Ruslan Chagaev who Povetkin fought and probably the green and non aggressive Chambers as well. Eddie had no power, would have been too small and wasn't much for pushing the action.

 

You could tell by looking at him that he was in no state to box. It looked like a guy that went from the couch to the ring because thats exactly the situation it was. Even finding out a few days earlier that he could be called wouldn't have made any difference.
Whats far more alarming is the fact Pov and his team knew he was going to be busted again. He juiced himself up knowing the same sanctioning body and the same tester would be watching him like a hawk. The man just can't enter the ring without his performance poppers.
And the fact he needed peds for an over wight blubber at the end of his career makes it worse.

They concealed whatever good stuff he was on cos you don't suddenly turn into the hulk at 36 by eating steak and patatoes , espicially when the guy was nicknamed the Pillsbury dough boy throughout his prime years

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Alaxender may well have been one of Holmes easiest fights had he been around in the late 70s , early 80s minus his peds and fighting on a regular basis.

He needed 7 months out after his 2 min fight against Mike Perez. When Holmes was the same age he fought 40 rounds in 1985.
Larry lost motivation during the mid 80's. You could argue he had more hunger in his post Tyson comeback.
A Larry firing on all cylinders whoops Povektin silly... He duplicates the success Takam had for the first 6 to a higher level and unlike Takam he would maintain that success till the 15th round.
KO's cause amnesia. Pov was getting a boxing lesson from Takman. His peds kicked in to gave him a late surge to obtain the knock out against a guy who is known for having poor stamina.

 

I suppose if you believe Povetkin is on steroids he was never caught with, and he has no other positive attributes but the steroids you believe he is taking, I suppose its logical in your situation to believe he is a can without steroids.

Takam...giving a boxing lesson? Knocking out the durable Perez in a round deconstructed as a criticism? Denial that Johann was in training for an upcoming title fight? A fantasy Povetkin that is garbage without steroids he was never busted with? Okay.

 

Yet Chambers was aggressive against Dimitrenko and dropped him twice.

 

The version of Eddie who fought Ditrenko had improved a bit since the Povetkin fight and Alexander wasn't as good of a fighter as Cooney was anyway.. Kinda moot.

 

Povetkin obviously improved since the Chambers fight.