Larry Holmes vs. Rocky Marciano

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  1. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    How are LaStarza and Holmes comparable in the opinion of everyone here?

    Roland was pretty slick and he gave Marciano some pretty serious problems. And Holmes is a bit bigger than him...
     
  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    There really aren't many similarities between Lastarza and Holmes. lastarza was one of the greatest defensive fighters of his era, but not a particularly threatening offensive fighter.
     
  3. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    They were both pretty savvy... What I was trying to edge towards, I guess.

    I get the feeling Holmes could and would do a lot of the things Roland did to him in their first fight, what I've read of it, anyway.
     
  4. Bill1234

    Bill1234 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The problem with comparing Marciano and LaStarza's first fight is 1) Marciano wasn't expeirenced to a slick fighter like LaStarza, and 2) It was right after Marciano put Carmine Vingo into a coma, and almost killed him with 1 punch, so he was afraid to pull the trigger. In the rematch Marciano destroyed LaStarza.
     
  5. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Destroyed?

    Fight still went 11 rounds...
     
  6. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If Broken arm vessles ant destory than I dont know what is. Also, Marciano Carried LarSarza, He held him up to cont the tenth round. Marciano was not on the mode to end it in a few rounds. He wanted to punish him.
     
  7. Bill1234

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    11 rounds of pure punishment for LaStarza. He literaly couldn't lift his arms at the end of the fight. He said that he couldn't feel his arms, and he could barely lift them, and barely throw punches. LaStarza was knocked through the ropes, and he was very bloody. Here are some pics:


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  8. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    True,

    Sadly, the second fight with Rocky Marciano pretty much ended Roland Lastarza's career. I think he fought for a bit longer, but was never the same. Following the Loss to Rocky, Roland underwent surgary on both of his arms. For most fighters, such an ordeal typically means that it's time to hang em' up.
     
  9. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    As I said before and confirm on Rocky Marciano boxing best. Rocky's freind said that Marciano carried LarSarza.

    "He could have dump him in 5 or 6, but he held him, He held him up to cont the tenth round".

    Roland made comments that Marciano was punch drunk, and Marciano took that to heart. He relly did go over board in that fight.
     
  10. RockyJim

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    Larry did NOT like the right hand....and Rock had the"Suzy Q".....if Renaldo Snipes could land his and almost KO Larry,..........
     
  11. Bummy Davis

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    Thing with Marciano opponents none of them were ever the same after fighting a prime version, Vingo,Layne,Walcott,Lastarza(2nd)Charles,Louis,Matthews, Marciano ruined you mentally and ruined your body, he made you feel: is this worth it. Even Moore who was on a 22 bout win streak and if you include his avenged loss to Johnson by KO, was 44-1-1 going into the Marciano fight and 38 -3-2 afterward, with many wins over the top 3 heavyweights in the division, Archie was not the same fighter, he was a wounded fighter and took the worst beating of his life vs Rocky....Rocky(Bad Memory)Marciano...I like Holmes jab for a few rounds and I love Larry skills(I just dont think he fought the best of his era to be rated higher as an ATG) and I see the indominable will to win,stamina, and different version of one of the best right hands ever being too much for Holmes over the course of 15 rounds. Do I rate Marciano high yes,the only negative factor being his skin
     
  12. mr. magoo

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  13. fists of fury

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    This is true. Peter Marciano also said it was the only time he ever saw Marciano carry animosity into the ring.
    The comments LaStarza made really incensed Marciano.

    It's been pretty much established that LaStarza was finished by round 6, despite looking good in the opening few rounds.
    In fact, it's been reported that he actually thanked the ref for eventually stepping in.
     
  14. janitor

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    Marciano was a little OCD, hence his thorough training regime.

    He had an obsesive fear of becoming punch drunk and LaStraza really picked the wrong taunt that night.
     
  15. Duodenum

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    LaStarza sometimes contradicted himself when discussing Marciano. On one hand he'd say, "Rocky isn't as easy to hit as he looks. He uses that funny jab you laugh at, until you realize he's setting you up for the bad medicine, that right hand" (or words to that effect). LaStarza also observed that since their first match, "there's more coordination between mind and muscle." But when he said "He's taking so many hits that he's bound to get punchy one day," LaStarza gave Rocky all the bulletin board material he needed to get himself even more motivated than usual. (Perhaps he should have made a concerted effort to really get under Marciano's skin, and try inducing him to overtrain.)

    I have little doubt that he would be diagnosed with OCD today, if he underwent an evaluation.