Larry Holmes vs Rocky Marciano

You probably could not punch. Rocky could punch a hole through anyone. He hit a 300 pound heavy bag in training like it was nothing. Rocky is not losing to any fighter just because they are bigger.

 

I'm 5'8.5"I fought a guy 6'3"224lbs. I weighed about 170lbs then .It was like hitting a rubber matress,I couldn't physically move him. - McVey

I agree with Perry on both counts and find a little humor of how Mr. spell check took license with the worth mattress.

Rocky was very good at getting leverage into his shots.

 

I'd say that is pretty much game set and match over the Rocky " fans ". You won't get a much better technical breakdown than this. Makes all the adulation look a bit silly to be honest.

In the interest of pedantry the only issue I would have is the rock drummer an alogy. With modern PA systems and a properly mic'ed up kit the rock drummer wouldn't need to attack the skins at all. He would merely play them. Though this has NOTHING to do with boxing.

 

The great technical ****ysis is neither great or technical. A puncher like Marciano, Dempsey or Frazier could Ko any man irregardless of height, size or reach. These men were gifted all time punchers.

 

Wrong.

If Holmes put 90% of his body weight behind shots it would still be more than Marciano weighed.

 

Yeah right. All you Marciano fan boys have the same boring agenda. " All the rock has to do is land his Suzie Q and it's all over "

Dream on, here is as guy who held a " world title " for less than a year, and even his own mother wouldn't call him an ATG, but I guarantee you Marciano could hit him with his Suzie Q all fuking night and tomorrow morning as well and NOTHING would happen. Oliver McCall.

The interesting part would be whether or not the junkie decided to start using his 16 + stone to hit Marciano's tomato skinned face back, knowing he couldn't possibly get stopped.

Both are crude as each other with about the same level of skills, but one's big advantage has disappeared.

If you disbelieve the validity of Halfordscreams critique feel free to refute it with an alternative view. I'm sure the forum will await with bated breath.

 

If anyone feels Holmes hit harder than Marciano I have a bridge to sell you. Laughable. Not in the same ballpark. Punching hard is a skill which Holmes did not possess.

 

What Big Man was deserving of a title fight, some will say Valdes but Valdes lost to Billy Gilliam, Archie Moore 2X, 5"10 Harold Johnson and 1955 was dropped and dominated by a 5"10 Bob Satterfield. Marciano was hoping to make Valdes his # 50 but after the loss to Satterfield who was KO'd in 2 by Ezzard Charles

People here revert to the fact that Walcott was old and Ezz and Archie was a year older than Marciano but they were beating younger men and Bigger men

They were not the same after fighting Marciano but then neither was the young 6"4 Carmine Vingo the same

These guys always mention the size and youth thing and say Marciano fought old men but it was the old men who were dominating the Young Big men

Funny but you never here the grade school guys Holmes fought and almost lost to

10-2-2 Leon Spinks (who was already KO'd in 1 by Coetzee

13-0 Ossie Ocasio

15-0 Tim Witherspoon (many think Spoon won)

10-0 Marvis Frazier

14-1 James Smith

14-0 David Bey

16-0 Carl Williams (most felt Carl won)

22-0 Renaldo Snipes (was dropped 2X and King stole decision from Coetzee in Snipes previous fight

Berbick 18-1-1



the more experienced men

Alfredo Evangelist 23-2-1

Lorenzo Zannon 25-4-2

****ey 25-0 ( may be best defense but ****ey never fought more than 8 rds)

Ken Norton 40-4 (close fight no rematch

Lucian Rodriguez 35-7-1

24-0 Leroy Jones (another King fighter who had no power no speed and no condition

Scott Ledoux 26-8-4

Weaver 19-8-0- this is the fight that gave trial horse Weaver confidence but NO REMATCH OR UNIFICATION

Ali 56-3 (totally SHOT)

Shavers 59-7-1 (almost lost it )

so when Holmes moved up to fight the light heavyweight champ (who never fought a heavyweight fight) he was still avoiding the best, most felt Spinks had no chance

and when he fought the green Mike Tyson because he had to in order to move up he got smashed

my belief is Holmes would have lost much earlier possibly to John Tate, Greg Page, Coetzee, Dokes, improved Weaver, Pinky Thomas or Spoon, Williams but we will NEVER KNOW because he did not fight them

by the way Walcott, Moore and Charles would have all had long reigns over this group and Marciano relentlessly batters Holmes in and exciting fight that is ended by a Marciano right hand and a follow up finish

 

Lots of hwts were big and quick. Most could not punch hard. Ali is an example and Holmes another. The ability to throw ones body weight behind the blow was the missing link in their ability to punch hard. Read Dempseys technical book on power punching. He describes in great detail the technical aspects of hard punching. Very little is mentioned about size or having to be exceptionally quick. This is why fighters like Marciano were able to punch and really move a 300 pound heavy bag. to make this easy name one expert who claims that Holmes hit harder than Marciano. Any trainer who has watched both men would just shake their head and laugh. Beyond a joke. At the same time very sad that their are those so misinformed that they believe such garbage.

 

So come on, tell me what happens when McCall drops his hands and invites Marciano to hit him with 10 Suzie Q's then just smirks at him?

If you think Marciano hit as hard as Tyson I have 2 bridges and a castle to GIVE you, never mind sell. McCall took thousands of Tyson's punches. And don't tell me they were only in sparring , because even Donald Duck knows Tyson was NEVER easy on sparring partners.

 

What you just wrote makes no sense. McCall had a great chin....so what? No one no one in boxing history laughs at all time punchers like Marciano. You are way out of bounds here. Punching hard is a very hard to develop skill. Some say it's an inborn skill that cannot be learned. Rocky like Dempsey before him and Tyson after had this ability. It would not matter what the size of their opponents were and the size of their opponents never meant those opponents hit harder than Rocky. Size does not equate necessarily to being able to hit hard.

 

What does the underlined mean?

 

My punching ability was my biggest asset, that and my chin , my weakness was slow feet. Rocky is losing because Holmes is not only bigger he is light years more skilled in boxing ability,and speed .

The thing about hitting bags is,they don't hit you back.:hey

BTW I won the fight.

 

That's because your weak and soft

 

It would have been a great fight. No chance a cake walk for either man.