Larry Holmes vs Sonny Liston

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  1. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is related to the decade vs decade thread. But, it might be easier to get responses this way.

    These are the two second best fighters of each decade (80s vs 60s). You can vote here or in the other thread. Who wins his battle. Winner sends their decade through to round two of the tournament.
     
  2. Ponysmallhorse

    Ponysmallhorse Small but proud Full Member

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  3. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    Holmes would out-jab him, and that would be the end of it.
     
  4. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Maybe, but Holmes wasnt as fast as Ali, so he may not find outjabbing as easy as he thinks. Liston himself had an excellent jab. And i think that he has the reach advantage doesnt he. I really am undecided on this.
     
  5. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    Yes. Holmes is three inches down in reach, but he's three inches up in height. My reasoning was that Liston's boxing ability (as opposed to slugging ability) is based almost entirely around his jab, and once he can't land it more than the opponent he's pretty much stuffed. Since Holmes has a better jab - IMO faster, more versatile in terms of being able to double and treble, and propped up by Holmes' vastly superior foot-work when compared with Liston's plodding approach which often led him to fall in after the jab - I see him neutralising Liston pretty comprehensively.
     
  6. Woller

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    I have some doubts about Listons reach. In the old days reach was measured fingertip to fingertip (Wingspan), and because of Listons enormous broad shoulders he had a huge wingspan. I an not sure that his arms reach are so long as people often quote it to be.

    Woller

    But otherwise, I see Holmes outjabbing Liston to a decision victory.
     
  7. ticar

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    i had doubts about liston's reach,but watching recently his matches with cleveland williams i realized he really did have very long arms.williams is listed with 80"reach,and liston clearly has longer arms,plus he had broad shooulder and very big hands and long fingers
    anyway i'll take holmes decision.great chin,better and faster jab.liston didn't know how to cut off the ring effectively
     
  8. McGrain

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    According to Zivic54, who had a really good rep on the forum but never did produce a source, Larry always said that this would be the hardest fight for him.

    You can see why; out-reached by one of the only HW's who arguably had a better jab who also happened to be an excellent puncher. I lean to Liston.
     
  9. ticar

    ticar Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    ali was out-reached even more than holmes,yet he outjabbed liston.
    holmes had maybe the best jab in hw boxing ever
     
  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Ali out-sped Liston, and the function of that speed was the jab. Holmes-Liston would be a much more technical affair, not that Larry's speed would set him in anything other but good sted, but he's far from being as blistering as a physically primed Ali.
     
  11. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I like Holmes.
     
  12. DocDevil

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    I would take Liston,on the fact of a harder jab.Unless holmes can establish himself as the agressor,he does not do well,his footwork is not that outstanding.
     
  13. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    Holmes is the one with the dodgy footwork here?
     
  14. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    Is there really that much in it?
     
  15. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Sure.

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