Larry Holmes vs. Wladimir Klitschko.

A war of attrition? Provide an example where Wlad has fought a battle of attrition?

 

holmes more variety and better workrate, wins by about 3 rds imo

 

footwork?
recovery?
handspeed?
jab variety?
workrate?
head movment?
having a plan b?
right hand?
stamina?

surely holmes is above wlad in some of these catagories

 

Kind of like how I see it. It's an outside perimeter kind of fight and Larry always got hit by right hands. It's much tougher to counter Wlad's jab of the 2. And Larry is fighting a big tall upright guy and he is the guy having to work his way in to land. He sure didn't fight many of those.

The big punch Klitschko is susceptible to is the one Larry doesn't have--a left hook. A Liston hook off the jab would be very beneficial against this guy. But it isn't there and the guy with the sneaky left hook is Wladimir.

Larry didn't look so good against the guys he fought that had a good defense. He was murder on the sloppy defense guys like Cobb and Ledoux and Bey and so on. He fought an absolute ton of face first catchers in title defenses.

The other big thing is for some reason Larry is given some get out of jail free cards. No big matchups against the division's elite and we got Leon Spinks and Marvis and so on. Imagine the criticism for Klitschko if he is the guy doing the cherry picking.

And imagine the heat Wlad gets if he's the guy benefitting from 2 split decision wins in title defenses. And then not rematch either.

How about the go directly to go and collect $200 for the Shavers knock down and falling face first into the turnbuckle against Snipes? Different ref or fighting a rival promoter and those are koby results and those bouts are stopped by the ref. He was given a wide path to recover in those fights.

Funny how a guy like Klitschko never gets an inkling of a get out of jail free cards and the guy has been winning against top 10 opposition for 14 years now.

 

So he does not have a proven success rate in a hard fought competative fights...In fact he was destroyed in every battle of attrition he was involved in..The only one he escaped was against Peter because Peter was slow as **** and a 4 round fighter....If Wlad fought one round like Holmes vs Norton he'd be completely and utterly spent.

 

I'd add lateral movement, countering ability, survival instincts, grit, timing and resume (Yes really). Larry has been pushed to the brink and shown he can dig deep and pull off a win Wlad hasn't even proven he can deal with getting tagged badly. I respect Wlad and acknowledge his greatness but I think his H2H abilities get blown out of proportion based on beating uninspiring, outgunned opponents on home turf.

 

Well that just proves how much you know of the man or are willing to accept. I think the General will be more suited for you, more of your kind there.

 

What are you on about? Wlad not wanting to engage in a slugfrest in totally irrelevant, Holmes will push him hard and will never let up..He will be drawn into the type of fight where he has almost a 100% failure rate...Wlads power aint worth a **** when he has to box on the move and even less when Larry is dancing around and hitting him from all angles.

 

:rofl:rofl

 

This thread has gone on for pages more than it should have. There has been has been an exhaustive amount said for both sides, but just to add my thoughts on the matter:

I say, I can scarcely contemplate a harder match-up for Wlad than one with Larry Holmes in his prime. Not with Ali or Lewis could he experience a more bewildering, infuriating, or unexcogitable puzzle.

For the record, I fully recognize Klitschko for what strengths he possesses, but the stylistic dynamic I foresee would ill-suit Wlad's usual strategy. All the determining factors (those being the jab and footwork) favor Holmes, while Wlad's advantages are put on mute.

I don't think Wlad's robotic movement (in full stalk) could possibly keep up with Holmes' educated circling.

 

what so funny?

i was responding to a post saying wlad does everyting better

you could say wlad is better at a few of those, and i might agree but it would still be irrelevant as the post wasnt aimed at you but the guy who thinks wlad is superior to holmes in every way.

wlads right is harder, but holmes's is quicker and more varied anyway, the acuracy is probably holmes too, but thats close.

 

what? lewis would have been a much harder match for wladimir for sure, not even a debate, lewis would beat wladimir

 

Victory is there for both whenever they choose to snatch it from Klitschko. However, I must go back to Holmes' superior jab and footwork. On the whole, I see him pitching a more concentrated and calculated effort. Lennox and Wlad would be a relatively stationary jabbing contest, whereas Larry had the equipment necessary to outbox both from range, using angles. In a battle of jabs, Wlad's would come out roses against Lewis'. It is only the follow-up that puts Lewis over the top.

 

Mike got his rematch, and lost again. :huh

 

How in the hell can the corpse of Ali be considered a good win for Larry?