Larry Holmes vs Wladimir & Vitali Klitschko, prime vs prime?

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  1. Sakura

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    Funny surely. Trevor Berbick 6′ 2″ / 188cm, 215 lb

    Wladimir Klitchko 6′ 6½″ / 199cm, 247 lb
     
  2. AlisJab

    AlisJab I crush homers Full Member

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    Awe, another Klitschko homer who doesn't understand that size only accounts for a small portion of the heavyweight division.

    Valuev 7'0" 316lbs and David Haye 6'3" 217lbs for their fight. How did that size advantage work out for you?

    Plus, if Berbick were born the same year as Wladimir he'd be a little bigger anyways due to the increased average size per human, I don't expect you to understand that though because I'm not saying "Wladimir > All"

    By the way, Larry Holmes would knock Wladimir's head off.
     
  3. bkamins

    bkamins Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Actually, he made a good point. You don't have to try to invalidate arguments by calling people homers simply because they point out how foolish your comparison was.
     
  4. Sakura

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    Clearly you've never boxing, otherwise you think otherwise
     
  5. AlisJab

    AlisJab I crush homers Full Member

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    It's foolish to think that if Wladimir Klitschko was born in 1954 like Trevor Berbick that he would be 6'6" 247lbs, he would be smaller, it's foolish to think that if Trevor Berbick were born in 1976 that he would be the same size he was during his career and not bigger.

    I've explained this before on here, now they put hormones in the meat, hormones in the milk cows which we drink in our milk so society as a whole got 1 1/2 inches taller and 25lbs heavier for males on average from 1960-2002.

    So comparing the height and weight of 2 boxers who were born 22 years apart is not a "good point", that my friend is FOOLISH.
     
  6. AlisJab

    AlisJab I crush homers Full Member

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    Hmmmm, trying to dissect your point here. Because yes I boxed in golden gloves for half a decade, could have turned pro but now I have a 6 figure job where I don't get punched in the head and have days where I can sit here at home and make fun of people like yourself.
     
  7. Bajingo

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    Holmes TKO9 Wlad
    Holmes TKO13 Vitali
     
  8. Jennifer Love Hewitt

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    I think Holmes knocks out Wlad after thoroughly outboxing him for a few rounds. Wlad does great against opponents who stand in front of him and block waiting for the lucky punch, but Holmes superior footwork, and yes a superior jab will baffle Wlad. Holmes would use angles and will fight at a pace that is too great for Wlad.
    I don't see Wlad's power bothering Holmes, because: 1. Wlad is too reluctant to use it, and 2. Wlad can't throw hard punches unless he is planted, Holmes footwork would keep Wlad not planted. In fact, it will be Larrr'y power than bother's Wlad because Wlad really really hates being tagged.


    Vitali fairs much better. Unlike his younger brother, Vitali can punch on the move and his chin is solid. Vitali also has the ability to fight at a higher pace than Wlad. It would be a good scrap, but I give the edge toward Holmes. Probably busts his face up enough with the jab to force a stoppage.
     
  9. Davo

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    Wlad TKO 4
    Vitali TKO 9 (cuts)
     
  10. FlatNose

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    It would probably start out looking good for Wlad at first, maybe even flooring Larry with a right. Wlad has a good one and Larry was always open for a right.
    Eventually though, Larry would get Wlad drunk with his jab, and then mug him. Larry could always shake off punishment, while Wlad seems to lose his focus when things don't go his way.
    Vitali would get outboxed , but go the distance. Neither Klitchko ever proved he can compete on the level of a Holmes.
     
  11. Son of Gaul

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    They get repetitive because most of these (Past era champion v Klit) matchups wouldn't be competitive. This one would be more than competitive as Larry Holmes is better at everything. He's just a bit smaller...
     
  12. Sakura

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    Clearly you are a world-class boxer, and moreover, you have fought a series of two larger classes, and got back too many punches
     
  13. bkamins

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  14. irishdjc33

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    What's your point? Wlad wasn't born in '54 and berbick wasn't born in '76. The comparison is prime vs. prime. Wlad's prime is now...berbick's was then. That's why these hypotheticals are ridiculous.

    If you wanna get technical...this fight wouldn't happen if Wlad was born in 1954...he wouldn't have been able to compete professionally...
     
  15. Lindley

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    I pick Larry Holmes to beat both. Larry Holmes, in his prime, could not only stick the jab but could take a punch and move around. He had some power too. The Klitchko's have not really met any opponents to offer them anything to put them in any adversity - closest last time being the first Peters fight for Wlad and the Lennox Lewis fight for Vitali. Of course the K brothers are very strong and very good for their size, but Holmes took great shots from other "big" punchers and came off the floor to win.
    If we say 15 rounds, Holmes by KO on both. If 12 rounds, Holmes by decision.