Larry Holmes vs Wladimir & Vitali Klitschko, prime vs prime?

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  1. coog

    coog Active Member Full Member

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    Vlad has a lot more experience than Cooney did and was also more of a boxer used his reach and defence better. You people still underestimat vlads overall guickness of foot. this guy has pro football athletic ability. Chris Byrd and Eddie Chambers (who are both noted for thier quickness ) said that they underestimated his speed going into the fight, but not afterward. That is why chris byrd tried to go at him more the second time because he realized he couldn't get around him I donot know who would win However, I cannot figure what is wrong with somepeople to totally dismiss Vlads assets. He hurts people with his jab.
     
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  2. Englund

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    Valid point, but you're forgetting something. Wlad isn't American, he's Ukrainian.
     
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  3. AlisJab

    AlisJab I crush homers Full Member

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    I understand that.
     
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  4. AlisJab

    AlisJab I crush homers Full Member

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    Well I had this discussion with some friends of mine a couple of weeks ago before the Wlad vs Peter fight and one of my friends pulled up this video here:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZROK-t5Pmo[/ame]

    He claims that the Klitshcko's skill level is comparable to Cobb's. I think that's a bit of a stretch because the Klitschko's are clearly more powerful. In fairness though Cobb's chin was far superior to Wladimir's. It's crazy though because I do see some similarities in their styles.

    Larry absolutely picked the guy apart of that skill level:
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHawIKPO4LI[/ame]
     
    AlisJab, Sep 23, 2010
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  5. Sakura

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    Good god. A man who compares Cobb' with Klitchko's should go immediately to a hospital..and at the very least to stop following boxing
     
    Sakura, Sep 23, 2010
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  6. AlisJab

    AlisJab I crush homers Full Member

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    I know, Cobb has a better chin than both of them.
     
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  7. Sakura

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    Probably better than Wladimir, but I would say that Vitali is a better chin
     
    Sakura, Sep 23, 2010
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  8. AlisJab

    AlisJab I crush homers Full Member

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    OK, fair enough, I thought it was a ridiculous comparison and a reach but even you would have to admit that the Klitschko's are not "fluid" boxers and they beat guys who stand still or come forward. We haven't seen them defeat someone who stuck to a good boxing gameplan of movement like Holmes would.

    Hey, saying Holmes would whip the Klitschko's is not a diss. Holmes is the most underrated heavyweight ever.
     
    AlisJab, Sep 23, 2010
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  9. Sakura

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    I'm not saying exclude Holmes would be one of the best, but even Holmes is not never encountered that big and hard puncher boxer like Wladimir Klitchko is
     
    Sakura, Sep 23, 2010
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  10. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    Wlad would dwarf Holmes with around 3 or 4 inches of height and out weighed him by 20 to 30 pounds

    Wlad uses these advantages to the fullest making himself unhittable

    he has improved his foot work and will be able to keep holmes on the end of his jab

    Holmes had a hall of fame jab but Wlad's is very powerful and he throws it more than most heavys

    Plus Wlad has one punch KO power Holmes did not as Wlad can be dangerous in any round even with seconds left like Chambers

    I feel Holmes would have to fight a nearly perfect fight to do it

    but hey he is one the best ever at heavyweight so he can do it
     
    KO KIDD, Sep 23, 2010
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  11. AlisJab

    AlisJab I crush homers Full Member

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    Um, Earnie Shavers hit much harder than Wladimir, and Holmes beat Shavers twice. Shavers had better range of motion, a better chin, and put more pressure on his opponents than either Klitschko. So, I'd say you better re-think that one.
     
    AlisJab, Sep 23, 2010
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  12. Kalasinn

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    Holmes via wide UD or late stoppage over both brothers.
     
    Kalasinn, Sep 23, 2010
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  13. Sakura

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    I'm not that sure Shavers was harder puncher at all? But he was much smaller in size, slower and much less talented boxer than Wladimir Klitchko.
    Holmes chin will certainly be tested more against Klitchko than Shavers
     
    Sakura, Sep 23, 2010
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  14. AlisJab

    AlisJab I crush homers Full Member

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    OK, this is what I'm gonna do, if you think Wladimir can punch as hard as Shavers did, I'm just gonna be nice and tell you to do your homework.
     
    AlisJab, Sep 23, 2010
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  15. Sakura

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    Shavers problem was not strike capability, but deliver to punch right on the target. He's skills and speed was that bad
     
    Sakura, Sep 23, 2010
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