Last nights Fury ,Which Lineal Champ s does he beat ?

Marciano has t-Rex arms? Well Fury has a butter bean belly.

Wilder was 42lb lighter than Fury, and was playing the stalker role.

Fury had to avoid his punches like they were death threats.

Marciano is one of the hardest and greatest punchers of all time. The same level as Wilder.

Wilder proved the classicists argument that an elite power puncher could negate a massive size difference, EVEN if the SHW in question is elite and skilled. Our argument was proven with a real life example, while the modernists keep slipping and landing with their faces in poo. And are forced to refine their arguments into sillier and sillier territory.

Now weight doesn’t matter if the guy is tall! Lol. If Wilder was 6”2 they would make up something else.

The kind of pressure Wilder used is easier to deal with for a slickster than a genius inside fighter is. Countless examples tell us that. If Wilder could catch Fury bad in the 12th with the stamina level he had, Marciano is catching him with a barrage of hell.

 

I also find it disingenuous to measure Fury's best as the Cunningham fight when it's clear he would fight down to the level of his opposition.

A lot of people thought Chisora, Wlad, and Wilder would all knock him out because they took his floor and rated it as his ceiling. That's a mistake with some fighters, and Fury is one of them. He rises to the occasion and is a clutch fighter.

Nobody has an easy night with him. The classic 6 foot, 190-200 lb heavyweights would be in for one of the most discouraging nights of their lives against him because of the generalship, reach, upper body movement, size, and patience Tyson brings to the table.

 

Be interesting to see Fury in with smarter accumulation fighters than he's fought so far. Usyk, Joshua, Whyte, Ortiz and Povetkin would be all fights I'd like to see.

He dominated Hammer and Chisora but ain't think most of those guys bring a different level to them.

 

I think it's too late to learn anything from fights with Ortiz or Povetkin, but prime for prime that would be quite instructive.

 

Can we wait a bit more? Its clear Wilder skills are average, and he's a bad boxer by top ten standards today. Outside of landing 3 big shots, one of which Fury barely survived, I'd call him a game man, but not a very durable one.

Fury won, but was close to losing. His signature win remains over a 39 year old Wlad.

I think I have seen enough to pick Fury over the smaller boxer types without much power. Jim Corbett, Jack Johnson, Jack Sharkey, Ezzard Charles, those types...

I think I have seen enough to pick him over the semi skilled super heavyweight not know for defense. Jess Willard or Primo Carnera.

Whether he can beat a skilled super heavyweight or aggressive puncher in his prime remains to be seen.

 

Are we still trying to run the argument up that flagpole that a 6 foot 8 dude with an 85" is in some way analogous to a 5 foot 10 dude with a 67" reach?

Please. Take a different tact. This one is embarrassing.

 

No, pretending like size hasn’t been predicated on WEIGHTclasses forever is the true laughing matter.

Hearns was never a true WW! He was too tall! Lol

 

Would Wilder be as successful at 212 if he were sub 6-foot and sub-70" reach?... That would still put him 25 pounds over Marciano's weight but let's focus on his dimensions first.

 

Come on. Wilder's success tells us absolutely nothing useful about how a 5'10/185lb/67-in Marciano would fare in today's heavyweight division and you know it.

 

Except that it does.
There was a strong census on this forum that there will never be a sub 220lb HW champion ever again. There was no asterisk about reach, height, or anything for that matter. As a matter of fact, it was said that if anything, the smaller HW would have to be extremely elusive to have a chance. But that being a huge hitter would’ve been superfluous as the big SHWs would’ve been too strong for that to even matter. There were a few of us contending that fighters like Dempsey, Louis and Marciano were of a special class of power that would overpower almost all modern SHWs. This argument received a large amount of ridicule.

Well here you have it. A 212lb fighter is the most dangerous puncher and finisher in the modern HW division, has a belt, and had a draw with the lineal champion. Boom.

Hastily brushing off the inaccurate argument by referring to Wilders height and reach reveals a laziness and lack of accountability by the bearers of that argument. You can all pretend like you have amnesia and completely forgot about one of the main arguments of the classic board, but I’m not.

 

It's funny how a lot of tall fighters of the past were considered uncomparible to modern heavyweights because they were beanpoles too.

 

Uhm, why the hell not? He’d probably have to change his style a bit in accordance to his dimensions.

His psyche, intuitiveness, power, finishing instinct, and dedication to his craft are faaar greater factors to his success than his height and reach. How many fighters out there have long arms and are tall? Plenty. How many fighters out there can hit like Deontay Wilder?

 

Can you cite/quote some specific posts please? The more the better. I’m not trying to be difficult—I honestly don’t remember ever ordaining a 220-lb weight minimum for all future heavyweight champions. Maybe I was drunk and typing recklessly??

Are you trying to reduce the arguments against Marciano thriving in today’s division to his weight (namely the fact that he weighs less than 220lbs)? If so, I have a very hard time believing that you’re being sincere as I know that you know better. Those of us who have argued that Marciano would have too tough of a row to hoe in the modern heavyweight division have emphasized his reach, his lack of speed, and his tendency to sustain damage while moving in for his attacks more so than his under-220-pound-ness. If you don’t see how the obvious, glaring physical differences between Wilder and Marciano trump the fact that both men weigh under 220lbs, then discussing it further is probably pointless. Hint: One of them can be standing 6 feet away from you and knock you senseless from long range in the blink of an eye; the other is Rocky Marciano.

PS — For the record, I think Wilder hits much harder than Marciano. I think that all the Marciano knockout highlight reels have made it hard for people to remember that his small, old opponents usually absorbed an awful lot of punishment from Marciano round after round before eventually being stopped.

 

Shane Mosley