Last nights Fury ,Which Lineal Champ s does he beat ?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Fergy, Dec 2, 2018.


  1. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Cite examples of people saying that sub-220lb stand little to no chance? Are you kidding? It’s everywhere. There’s threads about it in the first couple of pages of classic right now.

    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...t-a-top-super-heavyweight-with-skills.589329/

    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...heavyweight-champ.545647/page-2#post-17365059

    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...per-heavyweights.605111/page-17#post-19258163

    Not sure why you’re asking for cited examples when this forum is littered with this topic.

    Furthermore, we’re now pretending that the majority of the doubt people have for Marciano’s chances today is NOT due to his weight, but rather his style? That’s certainly an element of it, but most of the doubt is clearly generated by his weight.

    Since you seem to have a blind mission to be picky and choosy about which dominant past HW champions are actually great in any HW environment, you’re extremely lucky that we only have about 18% of his entire career on film. And that 18% is the most latter part of his career, including championship fights and defenses, on which he scored some spectacular knockouts. You’re lucky we don’t have the footage of the softer touches, some of which he paralyzed and had convulsing in the ring after single punches.

    Wilder can stand 6 feet away from his opponents and land concussive blows? That’s great. And Marciano could let loose shockwave punches on the inside with a dynamic non stop offense for 15 rounds.

    And for that matter Rocky could actually cover a pretty damn siazable distance with his explosive lunges, leaping hooks, and far extending overhands. Not like he’d have to take little baby steps to get close enough to land short chopping blows, as it seems like you’d like to imagine. He was quick on his feet, explosive, was a vicious attacker and would constantly be putting high stakes pressure on his opponents no matter how tall they’d be.
     
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  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Wilder doesn't wear men down he lights them up with one big shot.
     
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  3. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Not sure how any of these links are on point. Can you please show me where people categorically state that nobody weighing under 220lbs could ever be champion or hold his own against any super-heavyweights? I skimmed a few pages of the threads and didn't see anything of the sort. Did I miss something? Everyone knows that a sub-220 Holyfield beat Bowe and held his own in the Lewis rematch, so the position you are misattributing to all of the Marciano-skeptics is preposterous on its face. It's a ridiculous strawman position that has little connection with reality.

    The serious posters who've been skeptical of Marciano's chances to succeed in the heavyweight division of the past few decades have all discussed his reach, his defensive shortcomings, his limited speed, and his lack of overall size together. It's truly hard to believe--shocking even--that you honestly don't understand how the huge physical differences between Wilder and Marciano completely undermine any attempt to use Wilder as an referent for how Marciano would have fared in the division. Even if we ignored the 20lb weight gap between the two fighters, which we shouldn't. So I stand by my statement that Deontay Wilder's career tells us nothing meaningful about how Rocky Marciano would fare in today's heavyweight division.
     
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