Lastarza v Usyk

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by mcvey, Feb 13, 2021.

  1. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    First of all McVey is as good a poster as there is on this forum. Previous threads on this debate are illreverant, Usyk is still fighting so there is a live, variabe issues to be addressed, having said that, every Usyk beats Roland. Does he beat Charles, Moore and Walcott? I think yes but I'm not dogmatic on that, i think he has to prove more in the next few years.
     
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  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah I think Usyk beats Lastarza
     
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  3. KernowWarrior

    KernowWarrior Bob Fitzsimmons much bigger brother. Full Member

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    I frankly cannot see La Starza bringing anything to the table that beats Usyk at heavyweight, La Starza would be outweighed by at least 20 pounds, he is shorter, and despite being without doubt a excellent fighter i think Usyk is his match at least in the skills department.
     
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  4. BCS8

    BCS8 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Oh man, mcvey needs to stay away from that stained bit of tarmac that was Mendoza ...
     
  5. BCS8

    BCS8 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I've watched a few LaStarza fights lately, and I think he's underrated on Classic. He really was a pretty good boxer with good speed and defensive skills. He has nice snappy punches. I think he'd give a lot of guys problems.

    That said: Usyk is an out-of-context problem for LaStarza. He's very fluid, fast for his size and has some impressive footwork, showing angles with uncommon speed. His best quality is probably his fighting brain, often starting slowly, digesting the opponent's style and adjusting on the fly to turn a fight that initially seemed competitive into a beatdown. He's also much larger than Roland. I'm not a betting man, but I'd put money on Usyk beating LaStarza.
     
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  6. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Thanks for your support Matt,it's much appreciated and your reason for my resurrecting an old thread is bang on the money. Usyk is now officially a rated heavyweight due to fight Joyce, and the goal posts have moved,well at least for most of us.Cheers Mate!
     
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  7. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Sorry, but if I'm missing something here but I don't see a problem with putting this particular thread up. If it's a few years old especially, not a few weeks ago. It's certainly not one of those topics that you look at and go '' Not again! ''
    I'm just not sure where there's a major issue with it??
     
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  8. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good breakdown!
     
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  9. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I was away when Mendoza got banned, so I'm not familiar with the reason for his exit.
     
  10. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No F it's a mystery to me too, best if I say no more.
     
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  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Well the most significant problem on the forum in the last three years has been Marciano disagreements. It's absurd how personal and difficult these have got and more moderation has been required around Marciano than every other issue on the forum, combined, excepting perhaps Jack Dempsey.

    One of the symptoms of this ongoing madness (which has been reasonably calm this year) is the opening of related posts - someone's having a huge spat with someone about Maricano versus Williams and so opens a thread that allows them to denigrate Marciano's opposition, for example. That's why when you open this thread:

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    You immediately run into posts about "flogging a dead horse" and "all the Marciano threads". On the forum, that day, this thread was one of eight or nine on Rocky.

    Now, in my opinion, mcvey does use these threads in this way - to expand and deepen difficult arguments and to run down the fighter to hand. According to mcvey that is not the case. He just has a deep interest in Oleksander Usyk and that interest crystalises around differing perceptions of Usyk's career as it advances from 2018 to 2020 and is particularly related to how his progressing career intersects with the 1950s contenders, most of all those that fought Rocky Marciano.

    Maybe. Either way he's now been asked to bump one of his three older threads on exactly the same subject rather than open new ones, and we'll see how that goes.
     
  12. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Thank you for your interpretation of my thoughts and motives.
    I'd like to make the observation that nowhere in my OP was Marciano mentioned but perhaps osmosis had taken a hand and I was unaware of it?
    I don't have a deep interest in Usyk, but feel that as his career has now developed and he is campaigning in the heavyweight division,[indeed he is currently ranked there,]my thread was valid . I don't feel responsible for others interpretation of my threads why should I?
    Should we now avoid mentioning 50's heavyweights because they once fought Marciano? This would involve putting severe limitations on this decade vis a vis heavyweights.
    What would be acceptable and what would not?
    Archie Moore v Usyk perhaps?
    Charles v Usyk?
    I see no validity in this censure but, as the golden rule states, "them that has the gold makes the rules"and we must abide by them.
    For one who, according to you, is the most complained about poster here I am gratified to have received two messages of public support from two excellent posters,but would refer them to the line in A Man For All Seasons as the noose is tightening around Thomas Moore's neck
    His friend and supporter The Duke of Norfolk says to him." you are dangerous to know Thomas" while I'm obviously no martyr but just an obdurate old man,the consequences of supporting me might be "unfortunate."
    "You have been treated with kid gloves. That's over now." Your post yesterday.

    Three bans in 15 years, ie one every 5 years excessive?
    Now I'd like to draw a line under this ,to be frank I consider it an absurdity, if I elaborate further I'll be banned for sure and when/if I leave, I'd prefer it to be my idea.
     
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  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    When somebody asks a question about forum moderation, interpretation of someone's thoughts and motives is obviously going to be a part of the reply.

    There is no reason for you to pose this as a question. What is acceptable has been made absolutely explicit to you.
     
  14. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No further comment, I've no need to justify myself.
     
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  15. BCS8

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    He got into a fight with McGrain and challenged him to run him over. ;)
     
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