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Right now, I think top 20. He's an exceptionally talented fighter but he hasn't proved that his weaknesses have gone. In another post, you mentioned Larry Holmes and Joe Louis and correctly pointed out that a fighter can't help the division he fights in and that's true. However, Louis' and Holmes' eras were stronger, though still weak, they beat better fighters, especially Schmeling and Norton, and they didn't have the losses. Wlad hasn't beat any really good heavyweights yet, he has a few losses to awful opponents and he hasn't shown any clear improvement in his chin.

That said, we're probably only about half way through Wlad's era of dominance. I see no reason why he can't rule the division until around 2015 and I'd be surprised if he didn't rule even longer than that. Those years are hugely significant, so you could almost say "the best is yet to come". I think it could be. When Vitali steps aside, and I think he is hurting Wlad's legacy right now, and Wlad unifies all the belts and then dominates an era, his career will look completely different.

I think it's likely that Wlad will end his prime with a record of 70 wins and 3 losses. Regardless of what people think of his flaws, such as his chin, if he manages to rule for such a long period, their argument will go from "Wlad had a poor chin" to "Wlad had a poor chin but he was good enough to protect it". If Wlad has no 'great' opponent, he will eventually prove people wrong by beating a constant flow of 'good' opponents.

History won't look over a record like that. Vitali will go down as a Gerry Cooney-level fighter who managed to hold a belt in a weak era. Wlad will probably go down as an unlucky dominant champion, in that he was so much better than everyone else he faced, he didn't get chance to prove his greatness against one opponent.

The worry for Wlad though, is coming up against another Brewster or Sanders and losing. You can say "it's unlikely" and I'd agree, but it's not impossible. If it happens once, it can be put down to a fluke or one-off. If it happens twice, you could say he was very unlucky. If three losses occur, there's a problem but not necessarily a decisive one. If four losses occur, that may be the tipping point and Wlad's resume will take a huge nosedive if the fourth opponent is of the same calibre as Sanders, Purrity and Brewster.

I don't think that's likely now though. Wlad is a much more 'solid' fighter and less vulnerable. Legacies aren't built on what we "think" though, the fighter needs to prove it. Wlad has done well proving it so far and he needs to carry on doing the same. He can and he should...the question is whether he will. If he does, he'll end up just outside the top 15, unless a great opponent comes along.




For the sake of this post, I assumed that Wlad will beat Haye should they fight, as you think that's what will happen.

 

Generally speaking the new winner is usually allowed one voluntary before they have to fight a mandatory.

 

as of yesterday Chisora had no clue the fight wasn't happening. If this has been offered Chisora doesn't know about it yet.

 

Wlad a top 20 heavyweight do me a favour.

 

If I were Haye I guess I would say no as well. I mean, Vitali could lose in his fight against Solis and then he'd be tied with the immediate rematch clause that Oner made him put in the contract.

The Chisora fight just had to be scrapped. It's not about being a man of your word. Things aren't that simple in life.

 

If it is true, it's a really **** move that he still doesn't know about it.

 

That's what I read

 

to YOU any move they make is a **** move

 

Are you kidding? Read the post above on Wlad. I'm clearly not a hater or anything.

 

Generally, but sanctioning bodies just seem make everything up as they go along (usually they go with whatever would make them the most money).

 

It seems you like to pick out the negative bits about K2 and focus your comments on them while ignoring explanations that describe the situation in a positive light.

 

I am a Haye and Klitscko hater. I just hate the Klitsckos more. There absolutley ****ing ****.

 

Fair enough post but I would disagree that Louis & Holmes had stronger competition. Louis lost to Max Schmeling, a decent but not amazing fighter. Holmes wasn't a knockout artist as his "Easton Assasin" name would suggest either. With Holmes you had dominate wins but few actual KO's.

 

Glad we could help you get that off your chest, now get lost, adults are talkin' here.