Late 91-94 Tyson

So I am living in a fantasy world because I believe a prime Tyson (or close to it) had a chance or beating a prime Holyfield, even though I acknowledge that Evander also had a chance. I even say they are evenly matched. I cant debate that. You just want me to say Holyfield destroys Tyson every time, KO or not. I respectfully don't agree its that black and white personally. There are a lot of factors at play, and there were a lot of qualities gone for Tyson by 96 that made him what he was pre prison. Yes Holyfield was also older in 96 but there are factors there as well, he didn't have a near four year break before facing proper competition.
I don't excuse Tyson's loss in 96, he showed that he didnt have the discipline for a longer career and his mental issues weakened him, that badly effects his legacy overall for me. We are taking what ifs in this thread I guess, back to the OP question. I acknowledge what actually was, a great young fighter that imploded due to what ever issues he had.

 

so now 91 tyson was in his prime? then duglas knocked prime tyon out... the same douglas that holyfield humiliated early... 1+1....

even 88 tyson would lose against 91 evander

 

his physical prime I would say yes he was, I did say "near" prime skill wise. Douglas did beat Tyson in his prime years, no doubt about it but this is a different subject. Tyson was not at his best in that fight imo. I realise people believed he was still his destroyer self, despite no longer being with his life time trainer, ducking out of training seemingly unfocused, going through issues with his spouse, manager and promoter. I realise its no excuse but its a reason.
Now, if you can comprehend this, I still believe Douglas could well have won against a prime Tyson, but I do believe Tyson would have put in a better performance. I also believe in a rematch Tyson would have got the KO as that was a one off showing from Buster, so in relation to the original question, I think he would have got past the Douglas defeat. Then likely could have beaten the smaller wilder Holyfield in a classic fight, or even if you can comprehend this, maybe Holy would have won! but this would not have ended Tyson, going back to the original question of this thread, he could well have gone on to have a decent career anyway in the early 90s.

 

it is a decent post, but noway douglas would beat a prime 88 tyson

 

He lost his edge after cus passed. He didn't have the mental fortitude to cope. Very sad IMO

 

I put you on ignore for the simple reason I think you are perverted garbage. Out of interest why did you put me on ignore with the PM's after I told you your fortune you muppet?

A tip for you. Walter Mitty's don't trick anyone other than themselves. You being a pathological liar is actually entertaining its the perverted comments you make about children that makes you scum.

Don't you remember that is why you got banned? :rofl:rofl:rofl:nut

 

How he would have done with another 10 years with Cus is what I would love to know. I genuinely think Cus could have kept him mentally on track. There would still have been controversies sure, but nothing like what happened imo.

 

Really? In 88 Tyson beat Holmes, Tubbs, and Spinks. Don't you think a fully fit and focused Douglas ( Tokyo version ) could have done the same?

 

my man, i know that prime tyson never ever did beat the best competition in history, but it was not his fault, during his prime he fought all the best that was available. he was very dominant, tyson was horrible in the douglas fight, looking for a big right hand, very predictable like tired. i think that tyson at his best would beat this douglas( this bad version of tyson made this tokyo douglas look better than he was actually).

 

He fought the dangerous Ruddock only a little over 1 yr. after the Douglas loss. And Stewart was no pushover - He gave Holyfield hell in their fight in '89.

Name me a former champion who goes right in with a top guy right after getting kod. The list is short.

 

Stewart was no pushover??????????? It lasted less than a round and that included Tyson throwing a haymaker, missing and falling on his knees.

So Stewart having his 25th fight at Heavyweight gave Holyfield having only his 5th fight at Heavyweight hell before getting stopped in 8 rounds. Well whoopee doo.

 

I don't put people on ignore, you put me on ignore.

plus you just admitted it above :deal

Nice try once again

always extra lies and deception with you isn't it weasel :deal

 

Imo Tyson's decline started before spinks. It just didn't matter until he slipped to the point he was at Douglas. His conditioning and commitment declined steadily from spinks on. Just my opinion.

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If he was in Tokyo shape for all three. . Yes

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Pray tell how you arrive at such a nonsensical statement? After Spinks and before Douglas Tyson had 2 fights. Bruno lasted 5 rounds and Williams was dealt with in 1. So how the hell do you work out his conditioning and commitment were in decline? Was he actually in the ring long enough for you to make these observations?