LATEST: UPDATE: 99.99% DONE Haye Crawling Back To Wladimir - July 2nd Looks To Be On!

Haye has proven himself by breaking two contracts and lying like a preacher!

 

Yep. I'd give Haye less than a 10% chance to win this fight if it happens. Maybe less than 5%. Before Wlad learned the jab-and-grab that Steward also taught Lennox Lewis, Haye would have had a chance. A chance. Now, he has basically no shot. Wlad could seriously KO Haye with a jab.

Understand this, though: Klitschko Haters aren't logical people, they're desperate. Haye is their final Savior, so to speak. They need to be able to talk themselves into this being a competitive fight, even if it isn't one.

I've been around ESB for around 10 years or so now (cant remember exactly when the site started). From the early days. I clearly recall one former front-page poster going on and on maybe 7-8 years ago about how Vitali Klitschko was ducking Hasim Rahman and how Vitali was terrified of Rahman. He actually made himself believe this, and got others to believe it, too.

Some people need to believe certain things, regardless of the truth value of those things. The Klitschko Haters haven't had anything much to feel good about since 2004. That's 7 years ago. Forgive them if they latch onto Haye. They need hope.

 

Fight starts to show signs of materializing and Haye-fans are backing off from their previous 'inside two for sure'-nonsense.

Now I see mostly 50-50 or 60-40 predictions from them so I guess they'll drop drastically to the fight night. Last refuge of the loser is to not be wrong.

 

I don't see Haye as having any real chance vs. Vitali or Vlad period. Haye will be a sitting duck.

 

You know what is bull**** about that - the fact that the majority of 'Klitschko haters' are only given that label by fanboys because they criticise the brothers occassionally. There is a rather large group of deluded fans of the Klits on here who only ever comment on Klit related matters and obviously have very little understanding of the sport as a whole or it's history. They're by far one of the biggest problems on the forum.

There are a few posters whose sole intention is to discredit the brothers - the rest of the 'haters' are simply fair posters who 'dare' to disagree with the fanboys or call them on their bull****.

For example, things I that have caused me to be be labelled a Klit hater/Haye fan recently:

- Being from England
- Saying that prime Tyson would KO Wlad
- Saying that neither bro is top ten ATG
- Saying that Chisora is a complete joke fight
- Saying that by signing the fight Wlad compromised the Haye fight
- Saying that Wlad hasn't been tested by a great fighter
- Making a general point that it's time boxing fans stopped sticking behind their guy blindly and called them in their bull**** and mismatches

I've even been sent aggressive private messages simply for expressing a perfectly valid opinion.Basically, it's a case of agree with what the Klitschko fans say or else your posts will be discredited and you'll be labelled a hater. To me, that's far worse in a discussion forum than a handful of posters who dislike a fighter.

 

Watch those 'fair posters' evaporate like morning due on July 2nd.

 

And what percentage of these would be from the UK?

 

This!. i CANT disagree with any of this,the ingnorance and arrogance of the klitschko fans is actually that of the klitschko brothers themselves!!.

Big egg on thier faces when klitschko dont turn up and dont perform.

 

My have the times changed....I think your balls are shrinking with every passing month. Pathetic. Will you be favoring Wlad 80-20 by fight night?

 

Right, they're backing off all the "Haye will hit Waldimir's glass jaw, and KTFO his brother" ****, By fight night the Haye fans will be down to 10% or less. And by the next day Haye will be a BUM!!

 

The only people that think Haye is a special fighter that could potentially be the greatest heavyweight in the world are British. I've yet to find a single non-Brit on here that thinks Haye is anything special at the heavyweight division. To be fair to some Brits, some of them don't buy into Haye and have called him out on his shenanigans.

He didn't. Haye does not have the right to choose who Wlad does or does not fight prior to his potential match, which wasn't even signed yet.

If any of Wlad's title defenses meant he hasn't been tested by a great fighter, then Haye's not it either because I don't see how he's any better than a Ruslan Chagaev for example when Wlad fought him. (Chagaev had the same defenses going into the Wlad match as Haye does now, beating Valuev and Ruiz)

Based on this message board, boxing fans are the most idiotic sports fans in existance. To bring it close to home, Audley Harrison was the co-headliner for one of the best-selling PPV draws in Britain in recent times.

 

Easiest way to stop that from happening is to get grab people's posts from threads in the past and the day after the fight put them up.

 

Already caught Fighting Weight backtracking from a few months back when he would bet on Haye to catch WLADO and finish him. Though I have no desire to dig through the rest of his borderline ******ed posts.

 

So you're saying tha people who don't rate the Klits as highly as their most devoted fans will disappear off the board? Why is that?

See, you're doing the exact same **** that I was just talking about. People don't rate the brothers as highly you so therefore they must be Haye fans who'd be too embarrassed to stick around after a Wlad/Haye fight . . . thanks for proving my point though.

Great logic - Wlad beats a former cruiserweight with a suspect chin and all of a sudden people who feel he's over rated by his fans will be so humliated that they have to disappear from the forum? Do me a favour

What percentage of posters who feel that Wlad or Vitali are grossly over rated by their fans are from the UK?

1 - I don't know
2 - I don't care

If you want to discuss the geographical or culturlal issues involved I'll ask you this:

What percentage of posters who feel that Wlad KO'S prime Tyson in 2, is an top ten ATG, was poisoned when KOd and is the secomd coming of Christ are either German or Eastern European? And what percentage of these actually post about or even watch boxing outside of the K-Bros?

AGAIN - more bull**** that proves my point. Thanks for this mate :good

The point in my post was that if you saying anything other than what the devout Wlad or Vitali fans want to hear, then you're a Klit hater and/or a Haye fan. That was my point, and you've responded to that by writing a load of stuff criticising David Haye. Why?

Did I mention anything anywhere about Haye being a great fighter? Then why are you telling me that he's not?

I say Wlad hasn't been tested by a great fighter, your response - 'neither has David Haye'. What the **** does that have to do with what I have written?

Why is the default response to any Klitschko criticism 'well, David Haye . . .'

Jesus christ.

 

I don't see how Haye/non-Klitschko fans predictions can change much in the next few months, unless the Wlad-Chisora fight doesn't go to plan. It's not like Wlad's chin has improved, just his defence. I still believe it's lights out for Wlad if Haye's lands a bomb (and vice versa), and I give Haye an edge because he's better, faster and more agile than anyone Wlad has faced, at least in recent years, and his style is a good match-up, to me anyways. Haye isn't going to be moving in straight lines and sitting on the end of that jab all night and Wlad will be afraid to commit. My liking for Haye ends at Vitali though, he would struggle mightily with Vit but Wlad is made for him imo. Either way, I think it will be a terrible fight to watch from a technical point of view, but the power they both have will make it interesting.

As for Haye fans 'evaporating' from the board, I think you'll find a lot of us support boxing in general, whereas a LOT of Klit fans only post about the brothers. I didn't disappear when Hatton got destroyed by Pacman, and there's plenty of other fighters out there to discuss, British or not.