Lederman's card - she gave Lopez rounds 8, 9, and 10

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  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I can't make a case for Loma winning because he simply gave up too many rounds in the first half of the fight which was due to a combination of ring rust and Lopez just being so much physically bigger and more powerful than him. Lopez looked like a welterweight in there and his punches sounded and looked like welterweight punches and Lopez is very fast and skilful too and a really dangerous counter puncher and that's an awful lot to deal with for a small framed guy like Loma.
     
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  2. NewBoxingOrder

    NewBoxingOrder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I thought Loma's movement last night, for him, looked horrible. Not sure if that's the weight he was at or the ring rust, but I thought he looked bad in that department. Relatively speaking.
     
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  3. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    He has the reach of a frog and the frame of a featherweight and he's looked a lot more human up at 136 against all these fighters who hold huge physical advantages over him. Even down at 126 and 130 he was often giving away significant amounts of weight and reach but against someone as big, powerful, fast, athletic, skilful and explosive as Lopez you're literally having to cross a mine field to get in and out of range and Lopez's 3" reach advantage helped keep him at bay too. Even though Lopez hurt him a bit a few times, albeit only a bit, I actually think he genuinely hurt Lopez noticeably more than he hurt him.
     
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  4. Clean Heart

    Clean Heart New Member banned Full Member

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    She should never judge another fight again. Clear corruption.

    Loma clearly won rounds 8 to 11, then there was a few other rounds that were close that you could have gave him. Nobody could have gave Loma less than 4 rounds last night.
     
  5. rodney

    rodney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lomas rounds were very close. Could of went either way. The announcers were brutal - telling about Lomas punches and ignoring Lopezs punches. Just check out the punch stats. Lopez overwhelming landing punches as compared to Loma.
     
  6. VBOX

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    Could easily say the same about lopez punches. I swear I heard tim and tes go wild over a punch that hit nothing but glove. Good thing fights aren't scored on commentary and punch stats..... oh wait..lol
     
  7. NewBoxingOrder

    NewBoxingOrder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Great post and I very much agree on Loma hurting Lopez more than the other way around. That's a big factor why I had it a draw and why I thought Loma won the 12th round (even though most don't agree) because I thought Loma was landing the cleaner, harder blows. I am very much a "front foot, who landed the harder shots" scorer rather than a volume punch scorer (although I do think the Compubox numbers in the fight were questionable).

    All that being said, no robbery in the fight and I have more respect for Lopez now and I'm on board his hype train. Loma will be fine, even though he probably should move back down, IMO.
     
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  8. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    You're not only one who had it a draw. Crawford and Ward did too so I'll have to watch and score it again. Truth be told, and I don't think I've ever done this before, I wasn't going to watch the fight last night because I had a strong gut feeling that Lopez was just going to be too big and powerful for Loma and KO him and Loma is a great guy, an amazing fighter, and I've been a huge fan of his since 2008 and therefore really didn't want to see that, especially knowing how many 'fans' there are out there who were literally praying for his demise.

    But yeah, Loma needs to move back down to 130 or maybe even 126 which he can still make and try to see if he can unify down there albeit the fact that he couldn't tempt the other champs down there into doing so or politics was preventing it from happening is ironically why he moved up in the first place.
     
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  9. lobk

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    Lopez won, No question.

    But when we see something as wrong as this it needs to be called out and it needs to be investigated. You are blind , corrupt, or bias as hell to have scored that fight 11-1 rnd. I may even except 9-3 but 11-1?
     
  10. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    I gave Lopez round 9. He outlanded Lomachenko even in the rounds he lost. I guess if she had inconvenient angles from her seat at ringside then it's possible. But 10 and 11 seemed decisive enough for me in the flurries.
     
  11. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    The HBO-hype-engine was in full effect from the start.

    "Look how incredible he moves around and just mentally taxes Lopez with 2 landed punches in the past 5 minutes, it's fantastic! 10-8 round for Lomachenko on willpower!" -ESPN crew

    They were trying hard to sell you what wasn't happening.
     
  12. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    I mean this in a total boxing nerd way. Loma was exposed. Watch the fight closely. You'll notice Lopez never bit on the feints Loma was showing him. Loma is a master at feinting and getting his opponent to go defensive, then jabbing, side stepping, turning, then letting shots go from wierd angles once his opponent is out of position to counter. Loma actually uses his feints to set up his offense instead of the jab. He did this in the Rigo fight to perfection. If you notice, Lopez never went defensive when Loma feinted. Instead he waited for Loma to actually go offensive then attacked. This is why Loma's punch output was so low. That's what I think. Correct me if Im wrong.
     
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  13. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    What should happen is the State commission should drag them in to explain their faux pas I make sure they are capable before sitting them at ringside. BUT The problem there is that the State commissions are the leading causes of the corruption. Do you remember Farmboxer? He called Bob Bennett & asked him what he was going to do about Adelaide Byrds ludicrous 118-110 card All Bennett did was laugh & say " Adelaide is one of my best judges she just had an off night"
    ROFL. If he thinks she is one of his best judges maybe he shouldnt be heading the Commission
     
  14. NewBoxingOrder

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    I think there's a lot of truth in what you're saying, but I would not say Loma got "exposed." Lopez is so much larger, with power, that you can just impose the size edge on the smaller man and make him come to you.

    I do think Loma's movement was poor, for him.

    The most impressive part of the whole night, for me, was Lopez' reflexes. I think that allowed him to handle and counter Loma's feints, too.

    Lopez is the real deal. Loma lost but he'll be fine. Lopez is launched into stardom and good for him.

    I posted somewhere else a post from I think either a boxing writer or fighter saying that Loma's gameplan was to wait for Lopez to make a mistake and tire. He did tire, but he didn't make a mistake and he stayed mostly sharp and tight. Loma's strategy failed in that regard and all credit to Lopez for that.

    If they fought again, I'm sure Loma would try to start faster. But for sure Lopez had plenty to do with Loma starting slower.
     
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  15. Clean Heart

    Clean Heart New Member banned Full Member

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    @Nonito Smoak you're the weirdest ****ing Italian I've ever come across. You SJW self loathing oddball.