Lee Q Murray . Avoided contender ?

No shot @ Joe Louis , even most of Louis' challengers avoided him , with d exception of Arnold Cream , who fought him only once and won by DQ , just because Murray "didn't try" .
Seems like Ezzard Charles was still competing exclusively at lightheavy by d time Murray was still on his game , so no blame on Charles , but it just seems 2 me like Louis had some 6 years 2 fight him (1942-1947) , but somehow did not .
Abe Simon , d Baer brothers , Lou Nova , Tony Galento . every1 of these circus acts avoided him .
How good was Murray ? he wasn't stopped up 2 30 years of age , quite unique for that era , and it's not like he had "Young" Stribling's opposition .
At least 5 fights with Curtis Sheppard , at least 3 fights with Ted Lowry (and d first 2 stop him) , Arnold Cream , at least 4 with Jimmy Bivins . Didn't it warrant a title shot or at least a ranking that will force 1 of d contenders 2 fight him ?

 

I did not know . And also don't know y , and in Louis' era there were plenty of them white hopes , whom Louis fought almost exclusively .
And Y did Joe not fight him then ?

 

1 fight that Ended by DQ 4 "not trying" was definitely not a sign that Cream was a superior heavy , had it been d case then Cream himself would have never had become a champion .

Was Joe Louis in d army 4 5-6 years ? he did have title defenses during that time anyway . And Murray was a lot better than Williams and clearly a more successful HW than Zora Folley whom was better himself than Cleveland Williams . And those 2 did get a shot although not against Joe Louis and 4 obvious reasons .

And don't u think that a sloppy fighter would have been stopped prior 2d age of 30 ? Louis was , Murray wasn't .
And it's not like Murray had d softest opposition in d world , not even for that era .
Also , "not trying" is not 1 of d 1st expected things from a sloppy fighter .
So does "a bit more sloppy" just means a bit less robotic/plodding ?

 

1 loss eliminates a fighter from contention ? y did Louis get his shot @ Braddock ? in his case d loss was way more telling .
A DQ 4 not trying ? sounds like a sold fight . How much did Cream "try" against him ?
And u also ignored my claim that he was also ducked by Louis' challengers .

 

Not if he "lost" d way he did (?)

I meant trying in their fight , which was d formal reason 4 Murray's disqualification .

I say he was .

By saying this u reinforce my claim that he was d riskiest fight 4 Louis @ d time and I think that he had d best chance 2 upset Louis back then .
Jimmy Bivins was going life & death against lightheavies so he is #2 4 me .

 

I think it's rhetoric .
And then u answered a different question 2d 1 i asked when i asked about
how much did Cream try against Murray and then when i told u so u ignored it . That fight means nothing and didn't mean much more back then .

Going life n death with lightheavies is not a clearly better claim than what Murray had .

And by saying this u once again reinforce my claim that Murray was ducked .
Especially if Bivins was d only 1 who deserved more , because actually even he deserved less .