Lee Q Murray . Avoided contender ?

very good thing 2 know . Especially when ppl say that Louis beat ranked contenders while others did not .
Yet another example of d true worth of ranking's and Ring Magazine's (?) rankings .
And if u mean Ring Magazine , what about Oscar Delahoya owning it ? I do not have any objection to it myself , but it should only b taken as what it is : a commercial press . Not a measure of worth .

 

R U sure about it ?

He had about as many losses as Murray had including a few humiliating and telling losses that Murray did not have .
And Cream was actually Louis' worthiest challenger of those who actually get 2 challenge him and at least 1 of d 5 most deserving out of those who actually got what they more or less deserved .

Not similar at all 2 how Bivins himself lost 2 Wright & Charles .

ppl should think more b4 using d word beat .
Murray had 2 decisions over Bivins and another 1 in which he was robbed from according 2 both Associated press & D crowd .
Bivins did beat him 1ce . Soactually it is Murray:Bivins 3:1 , so would u repeat d claim that Bivins was more deserving ?
Even if it was 3:1 2 Bivins' favor , and it was not , then Murray was still more deserving because at that time and at all times Bivins must have been considered as a way 2 chinny fighter 2b taken 2 seriously as a HW .

I thought I answered it a sufficient # of times in this thread , but here u have my above text as an addendum .

 

how ?

my post u quoted just explained y he had less .

And u already explained yourself y d ranks were d way they were back then .
So y do they matter ? y is it so hard 2 explain that Louis , just like every other non journeyman I can think of in less than 2 minutes was a protected fighter ?

 

What I meant is - how do u know that Cream came forward ?

Right .

Murray Actually beat Bivins in their 1st encounter .
Both d crowd & d Associated Press thought so .
Murray's "losses" 2 Bivins (1st encounter) and Cream were a product of Louis' management or maybe other factor pulling d strings .
Murray was d (real) #1 , up until and including 1947 .

Without d if , u already explained yourself in 1 of your previous post how and y were they flawed .
And I wouldn't have based annual rankings on attributes myself .
Based on actual achievements it was Murray who was d #1 .

Louis was kept away n safe from Lee Q Murray , they even had some of Murray's verdict turned against him just 2 keep him away from Louis .
So that ppl like u will have excuses , and bad excuses at that .

Maybe not outstanding in p4p terms but based on his achievements @ HW he deserved at least 1 title shot .
And I already explained y he was below others in d ratings , not 2 mention your claim that d ratings were frozen during d war , although u just showed yourself that they weren't .