What does that have 2 do with Cream coming forward ? it is u who use irrelevant stuff 2 supposedly support your claims . Or whad d truth is 4 this matter . Classic forum classic attitude . No wonder Joe Louis but especially Muhammad Ali r considered as greats in here . There is so much sig material in this forum , but so little sig space :-( Then u should at least consider it as a draw and not a 'beating" of Murray by Bivins , make it Murray vs Bivins 2:1:1 . This content is protected :yep Murray deserved more than them and I don't even try 2 find who they were . Murray deserved it most up to 1947 and including , and 1947 was after d war . Even after d war Louis still had more than a year 2 fight Murray , but he didn't . And he should have fought him during d war like he did with others . Yellow - wrong Green - correct My evidence is Murray's achievements from 1942 up to 1947 compared 2 every other contender of that period . He lost 2 Bivins only once , robbed once and outpointed him twice . U obviously don't know about his "losses" more than their being listed as such . But Louis still had 5 years 2 fight Murray in which he repeatedly chose 2 fight others .