As I said in an earlier post; I like Andy Lee. I saw his debut fight and was impressed. I've seen him since, and I'm still impressed. However, I can't help but take a moment to point out how truly ludicrous the idea of a Pavlik /Lee fight next year really is. Pavlik's last 6 opponents had a combined total of 163 fights and 116 knockouts. McKart has held the IBA and WBO 154 pound titles and is the current NABF 160 pound champion. Zuniga and Zertuche have fought for and held B-level titles. Miranda was many peoples pick to dethrone Taylor. Obviously Taylor was the linear champ, and Kelly put his lights out in just under 7 rounds. Andy Lee has fought C-level fighters and has only twelve fights, but he has already had to go the distance as many times as Pavlik has in 32 fights against a much higher level of competition. Sparring in the gym against good fighters is a whole different universe compared to the white hot spotlights of a world title fight. Andy has potential, but like I said earlier, he is AT LEAST 10 fights away from anything close to a shot at Pavlik. Boo
Lee v Pavlik will NOT happen anytime soon. Pavlik has about 2-3 fights max left at 160. Then he moves to 168/175. Lee hasn't done a thing to warrant a shot at the world champ. He will probably be at 160 for the net few years anyway.
Lee's last 4 opponents have a combined record of 32-23-5 and he thinks he's ready to take on someone like Pavlik? atsch
Man talent can carry you very far, just b/c Lee may not have as many pro fights as Pavlik doesnt negate his skill as a boxer. So judt b/c Pavlik is the champ that dont make him some unbeatable dude that noone with less fghts than him cant beat. Lee got the talent, dont sleep
Wait till he gets in the ring with an actual life fighter, let along champion, and then we can talk about "how good he is".. :yep He hasn't earned any respect yet. :good
This is exactly what Im trying to explain to these sheep. Apparently not many of you "boxing fans" have heard a guy called Leon spinks. If you used boxrec like Im sure your used to, youd see that after only 8 fights, this guy who ended up being what some consider a "bum" beat a champion! His name was Ali btw. PS. If you somehow try to tell me this situation is different, uhm, then I have no idea what to say to you to be honest. Lets just say a person with zero pro fights could very possibly kick Pavliks ass. In fact I can almost garuntee you there are ameteurs out there right now that could kick his ass. That might be going to far, but you get my point.
I think highly of Lee but Im just not expecting from him what a lot people are. Steward is calling him a future ATG (or was it HOF'mer?) already, no way in hell that kid lives up to that. He has shown some things he needs to work on, one awesone KO over a very faded jnr middle doesnt make him the next monzon. He needs to step up badly though I think someone like Bojourquez or even Zertuche would be a very stern test for Lee, to see what he is made of. But they are guys who he can in theory outbox quite easily.
Originally Posted by PayThePrice According to some people here, Pavlik was "exposed" after the Zertuche fight. Then he was "exposed" again after the Miranda fight. Now Taylor "exposed" him. Do you see the trend? Anyone can expose him, but NOBODY can beat him. :verysad Wow. Nobody can beat Pavlik? Whatever your smoking, dude, just lay off it man. Try riddlin it might make you focus better.:blurp
... maybe because nobody has beaten him yet? are you ******ed or something? Hes gunna get beat one day, Im gunna be pissed, so will you, but dont be surprised. Plz, I dont know if I can handle this dumb **** anymore...."If kelly hasnt been beaten, NOBODY will ever beat him" .............:think ......atsch ......:-( Im serious, Im not even laughing at you anymore, you blew my funny fuse with pure ignorance. I mean, you claim to follow patterns to validate Pavlik is unstoppable. I mean, cmon dude, get real.