'' Legacy '' Fights is a cop out for '' Money '' Fights

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  1. NoChin

    NoChin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Charlo being the main and most violent offender. Nothing but a b1tch out and excuse. It aint a legacy fight if you're running around the ring for 12 rounds. Absolute idiocy of the highest order. He was getting hit anyway, so why continue to duck and hide from Canelo when you're already losing? No balls.

    You can't blame the dude for taking the cash. Anyone would. It makes sense. But to run like a b1tch for 12 rounds after you've already ran like a b1tch for 2 years from Tim Ta-zoo does make sense now. He's scared.

    He's not fighting for his name or legacy. He's fighting for money. And once you've lost that hunger and desire. The will to kill or be killed. You're done for.

    Game over for Charlo.
     
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  2. NoChin

    NoChin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fury also taking the cash, not the crash and bash. But at least he's put himself in the line of fire. I'd say he has also lost his hunger. But look at the guts on him.



    lol. He aint no Charlo though. He doesn't duck opponents. Oh wait a minute.........
     
  3. box33

    box33 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah so much for fighting for greatness, in that case you actually have to go out there & fight!

    I was surprised the most with Jermel crying in the locker room afterwards, strange to see as i could see him doing some sort if he actually went for it & put it all on the line but tears over that disgracefulness yikess
     
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  4. steviebruno

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    The Charlos are mentally unstable.
     
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  5. box33

    box33 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I see good in both of them but then they both usually turn around & do something real off to other fighters who are minding their own business rather than just being respectful to everyone & at the same time going off at their own supporters, media, reporters just for the fun of it when they have been nothing but polite to them more so Jermell.
     
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  6. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "But look at the guts on him."

    You got it right the first time.

    Do you think Fury will duck Usyk and retire, given how shot he looked and the additional damage he sustained, as well as the humiliation? I wouldn't blame him if he did but I doubt he will.

    Ngannou will be a legacy fight (or two) when all is said and done. Hearn/AJ will duck the mega payday and chance to one-up Fury with Ngannou and fight Charr/Kabayel/Yoka instead.
     
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  7. steviebruno

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    He should fight Usyk and retire. He doesn't have many camps left in that body and doesn't need to waste them on MMA fighters.
     
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  8. Redbeard7

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    The MMA fighter can KO plenty of name heavies, Joshua and Wilder included. I think Usyk beats him on skills, engine and speed but on the other hand, how does Usyk take a 272 lbs world's hardest puncher bodyshot?
     
  9. steviebruno

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    ...By rolling around on the ground as if he was on fire and getting the ref to call it low. :squezer:
     
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  10. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He's a very crafty guy Usyk.

    Usyk’s anti-low blow/bodyshot strategy

    Usyk has been officially knocked down at least three times from body shots (Levit 2011, Beterbiev 2011, Majidov 2013), with three additional known debatable instances (Beterbiev 2012, Joshua 2022, Dubois 2023).

    So it's been a chink in his armour throughout his career, at least relative to his iron chin. Usyk's vulnerability to the body/below the beltline can be overstated though as he's 6-0 against these opponents in fights where they dropped him or arguably dropped him and he’s never been dropped more than once in a fight.

    Usyk has developed a highly effective strategy to mollify this weakness, albeit one which depends on sympathetic officiating:

    1. By complaining to the referee most of the time a borderline shot lands (at least six times against Dubois), Usyk deters the opponent from throwing both low blows and bodyshots, provided that the referee at least warns the opponent

    2. Usyk chastising the opponent can further deter him, as can a vocal pro-Usyk crowd

    3. The judges are less likely to score a bodyshot if Usyk complains about it and they also may be less likely to score bodyshots against Usyk than they would be against other fighters if Usyk doesn't react, with the judges assuming that the punch either missed, only partially landed or was blocked

    4. By making the judges believe that he’s the victim of persistent fouling, Usyk can potentially get given sympathy rounds

    5. Hitting Usyk with borderline shots is very risky as he may go down, ham it up, possibly have it ruled an intentional low blow, quit and still win by DQ, or at least get points deducted from the opponent (as was the case against Mekhontsev in 2009 when Usyk went down from a bodyshot on the break)

    6. Even if the punch is ruled an accidental low blow, Usyk can take up to five minutes to recover (potentially protecting himself from a KD/KD’s or even a KO), replenishing his strength and stamina and frustrating the opponent, as well as potentially getting points deducted from the opponent

    7. If Usyk has already gone down on an alleged low blow in the fight, the opponent may be even more hesitant about throwing similar shots as next time it could be ruled intentional or ruled intentional again, resulting in further point deductions or an Usyk DQ win

    8. "Ukrainian war hero" and “devout Christian” Usyk doesn’t throw dirty shots himself (unlike J. Ruiz, Hopkins), which helps him get the benefit of the doubt from the officials when he complains

    Of course, if Usyk turns his back or goes down and the punch is ruled legal then that’s probably bad for him but it’s not necessarily disastrous: history shows that he recovers well, is excellent defensively in a tough situation, if he wins at least seven rounds on two cards then one KD against him doesn’t change the result and the opponent may empty their tank trying to take him out (as Joshua did in the 9th round of the rematch, which effectively surrendered the critical final three rounds to Usyk).

    Usyk has also probably benefited from the comical idiocy of his last two opponents, who cost themselves the benefit of the doubt pre-fight:

    Joshua: "Hit him on the hip, let the referee tell me off. It's a fight."

    Dubois: "Headbutts, knees. I'll beat Usyk by any means necessary."

    It bears mentioning that Usyk is less likely to be avoided if potential future opponents believe that he has a fatal weakness to the body, perhaps incentivising him to exaggerate his vulnerability.
     
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  11. steviebruno

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    This is a very detailed analysis! You would think that a guy who fights once a year would find time to do some sit ups!
     
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  12. The Real Lance

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    This is so f'n stupid. Usyk's "strategy"?? This is the cringey ramblings of a moron who believes his own BS. Your long, drawn out heavily biased posts that have very little basis in reality suggests you need to get a life or go out more. You spend a ton of time doing this stuff and have no knowledge to show for....
     
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  13. NoChin

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    Actually Box you know what it was? He had a punt on himself for the fight to go the distance lol.


    He probably got some bonus bets on himself too :)
     
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  14. NoChin

    NoChin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No need for that nonsense mate.



    The dude makes a good case.
     
  15. box33

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    You just never know i always figured a lower tier fighter do that while losing, get his family & friends to bet against him & win big, he is set up for a long time, don't you reckon? probably happens more often as we just don't hear about these things......
     
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