Legacy or Money

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  1. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Money = Legacy. If you go after the money, the legacy will follow.
     
  2. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I could say the other way around as well. Great fighters fighting other great fighters and winning tend to get noticed and make money. Mosley is an example of this. Even with his losses he makes money.

    Can you show me an elite fighter in the position to make this decision who didn't make money because he lost a few times while winning a few times as well and taking on the best? Recent times BTW....not the 60's where they made nowhere near the money they make now, even in comparison to inflation.

    And what do posters here mean by "money"? Its why I asked what the lower level of income is for an elite fighter. If you are saying you would choose the 5 mil fight over the 2 mil fight even though the 2 mil fight was a far better fighter, I will understand it, but you can certainly live off of both and I will judge your legacy accordingly.

    I see some saying you could be broke going for legacy....if you make 6 figures a fight and end up broke, you aren't very bright.
     
  3. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Hence, money=legacy. However, I'm going to have to deviate from that a little. Money and legacy will go hand and hand as long as the legacy fight will produce an exciting fight, or at least a fight that gets people excited. Read my earlier post and pay attention to the part about Pac to see what I'm talking about.
     
  4. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I read it. I didn't comment on it because that is a single fight scenario. If you were to tell me that fighting names who aren't the best fighters but bring in money won't hurt your legacy, then I would have commented on it. I get what you're saying though.
     
  5. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This is an important point, because the fact is that if someone can't retire on five million, they won't be able to retire on fifty million. Money management is a matter of mentality, not amount/quantity.
     
  6. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That isn't the only statement you made, though. Money = Legacy works as Legacy = Money since it's commutative, but you also added the premise, "If you go after the money, the legacy will follow", which is what I think was being responded to, since it is possible to reverse that.
     
  7. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Yes, this is many times the case. This is case in Pac situation. There are many times when a fighter can have a choice between two fighters and fight the lesser fighter for more money without hurting his legacy.
     
  8. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    In a one, maybe two fight scenario, yes. Not consistantly. There is a reason that people are starting to say "Pacman needs to fight a prime champion". After a while, people will start calling for you to fight the best fighter. If Pacman, who hasn't fought a prime championship level fighter since 04 IMO, continues to fight past it fighters for the money, instead of prime champions, he will hurt his legacy IMO. PBF was starting to, thus the backlash against him for a while.

    Legacy doesn't ALWAYS follow money, which is what I thought you were saying. You will have to fight dangerous great fighters despite the money they bring at some point to be considered great. Every great fighter did....And if you are great, you will be the money man anyways, and will make money no matter what at some point.
     
  9. MrStayman

    MrStayman Active Member Full Member

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    Legacy for me. When/if I have to support a family, that opinion may change though.
     
  10. jimmy1991

    jimmy1991 Active Member Full Member

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    Legacy 4 sure but u need money to live so the 3rd option
     
  11. igotJUIC3

    igotJUIC3 Boxing Junkie banned

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    Winky Wright a great fight fought pretty mmuch everyone and doestn duck anyone but hasnt seen a payday of Floyd who chooses big money fights.....hell i'll go as far as to say Winky is very much overlooked by many people but he is a great boxer....however....he fought everyone and has lost or looked bad because of a style match-up which hurts his marketability.
     
  12. LiamE

    LiamE Boxing Addict Full Member

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    All the legacy in the world didn't help Louis when the tax man came knocking.
     
  13. _J_G_

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    Money, anyone that says other wise is lying. Simple as that
     
  14. rikanlink

    rikanlink Broward Boy Full Member

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    real talk. id go with money. but id try to establish a legacy while making that money. the way i look at it. times are hard now days and if u can establish enough money to retire early like floyd claims to b doing then ur good. you'd have no finacial worries for the rest of your life. unfortunalety money talks. and we are all going to witness that in sept when we the part 2 of the worst fight of 2007.
     
  15. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    If I were better than average, with the chance of becoming good, e.g. Thysse: I'd go for money, but would give my best at all times and never take fights where I am expected to sell my skin.

    If I were good, with the chance of becoming very good, e.g. Bika: I'd go for legacy until I entered my peak, and then, I would go for a combination of legacy and money. Bika is a better man than I, in his position.

    If I were very good and had a good chance of being border-line elite, e.g. Bute: I would go for legacy, no doubt. I would fight the fights best able to prepare me for the big time, and then go for the best, as soon as I'm entering my peak, win or lose, time after time...daring to be great, so - legacy. Money would obviously come with that. I wouldn't say no to big-money fights either, but only after hitting my peak, when I start to fade a bit.

    If I were better than very good (border-line elite) hoping to become elite, e.g. Kessler: I would definitely go for legacy. A lot of money would come with that. I would only take big money fights at the end of my career, and only if I still have a good chance of winning.

    If I were elite, with the chance of becoming an ATG e.g. Calzaghe, I'd go for legacy only. A lot of money would come with that, but I would only take the biggest legacy-building fights out there. Wouldn't look at money at all, at any stage of my career.