Legacy wise, Joe Calzaghe did everything wrong!

fans got robbed because hopkins pussyied out of a fight in 2003 to fight calzaghe in america for $3m and instead took up an offer to fight hakkar for $750'000.

learn some facts and stop repeating the same mindless **** you here off other people.

 

I would have loved to see Calzaghe/Jones around 1999- 2001.

I don't blame either fighter, bad timing really.

 

i wouldn't take too much notice to what a coked up, pist up calzaghe had to say :nono

which supermiddleweight was it that you wanted him to fight? he slayed all of america's best supper-middles, and hopkins pussied out of a fight in 2003, so what did you want him to do?

 

What about when he was quoted saying he didn't want to go after Roy, because Roy was a good fighter and he didn't want tough fights? He surely was not coked up then...

That statement alone should at least take Calzaghe off your list of fighters Roy ducked.:yep:good

 

oh, i see.

well, carry on then

 

yeah those quotes weren't great from joe and to be fair joe is a bit of a bull**** talker who contradicts himself. were those quotes from his auto-biography or from somewhere else pal?

 

it took you about 30 minutes to come up with that?

was still funny though, good come back :good :rofl

 

I think when he said Roy was not a fighter he wanted to go after was not from his auto biography.

It's all good man... I don't agree with whatever Roy says either... Sometimes he makes a fool of himself...

You can disagree with a fighter at times and still be a fan...

It is the nutthuggers that try to justify everything they do or say.:yep:yep:good

 

It wasn't all about one fight though was it. Calzaghe's thin resume was not about missing one big matchup, it was a consistent pattern over the years of not getting the big fights, the big paydays, the best opposition and the great legacy.

Fights have always fallen through, many old-timers didn't meet each other, that's always been part of the game - but that didn't stop them seeking and getting other big fights. Joe fell short for whatever reason - complacency, being content to just get rich, not caring about legacy, who knows? But you can't deny that if he wanted a great legacy he didn't go about getting it the right way. He tried to make up for it at the end, and fair play for doing that - but it was too little, too late, in my opinion.

 

roy, God bless him, can sound like a ****ing moron sometimes

 

I know... Sometimes I am saying "knock it of Roy" or "Roy quit talking, you sound like an idiot"

Still doesn't make me love him any less. You don't have to agree with everything they say or do to be a loyal fan of the way they box.

There are times when I wish Roy would have pushed harder for the bigger fights. (DM mostly, so Roy could whip him and hush everyone.) But many of the SMW's Roy was accused of ducking was just bad timing or not worth the money, the same goes for the fighters people accuse Calzaghe of ducking. Bad timing, or not worth the money.

It is the nature of the business, and the boxers' health and income to support their family rely on every time they step into the ring.. Wouldn't all of us calculate our risks just a bit?:yep

 

calzaghe says a lot of **** that totally contradicts himself. we probably all do, but the difference is that what ever these fighters says
gets recorded and used down as evidence against them for the rest of their life

joe probably said what he said after a discussion with an interviewer about money and then encouraged by the interviewers question he probably said something he shouldn't trying to be funny or tryin to exaggerate a point. the problem is that it all gets recorded in black and white.

its like the **** mayweather spouts, he's contradicted himself more than any man on planet earth. at the end of the day, boxers arn't the smartest people, otherwise they wouldn't be boxers in the 1st place.

 

Well here are some examples - Duran dominated at LHW and got a record of 71-1. He could have then fought a couple of washed up 40 year old welterweights and called it a day. But then he wouldn't be a top 10 P4P all-time great fighter. Instead, he moved up to WW and beat a prime Ray Leonard. He later challenged Hagler and had a close fight, beat Moore, and won a MW title at 38. That's why he is rated so high.

Leonard went up and won at MW against a great champion, then fought and beat a hard punching light-heavyweight. Tunney dominated at LHW then beat Dempsey at HW. Robinson moved up to MW and even fought the LHW champ. Spinks ruled his division then beat Larry Holmes at HW and had the balls to step in the ring with prime Tyson who was about twice his size. That's what being an all-time great is about, taking on the big challenges and taking some big risks, making it happen at the very top level or at least giving it your all in a losing effort. Not sitting back and taking safe fights in your back yard, squandering your talent for a safe payday.

I guess we just have different philosophies of what makes a great fighter and a great legacy. I prefer fighters with a bit more ambition and hunger for greatness, and despise the alphabet beltholder "protect your 0 at any cost" mentality that prevails today.

 

i guess it depends what you're looking for legacy-wise. No one can take away his legacy as THE dominant SMW of his time. If you're talking about a P4P legacy, thats wholly something different.... he didnt do too much to wander outside his weightclass or fight Elite A's outside his weightclass....

 

p0eople can argue jones never fought jackson, mcclellan, nunn, benn, prime calzaghe, eubank, collins, DM.

people can argue hopkins never fought toney, nunn, mcllelan, jackson, prime calzaghe, dawson and that he feasted on lower weight fighters his entire career.