Legacy's of Benn and Eubanks ...

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  1. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    I am from the US and new to this forum. For a long time I have been trying to learn more about Benn, Eubanks, Watson and most importantly why they did not fight more top US fighters as well as how you feel they would have done against the Jones Jr.s and James Toney's ...

    Please fill me in. On Youtube I am able to digest what huge stars they were in the U.K. and I feel it was a loss for boxing that they almost stayed in their own division ... what happened ?
     
  2. ApatheticLeader

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    Nothing happened. If they had faced the elite they would have lost. Simple.
     
  3. Strike

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    Bull****. The only person who would have been a dead cert to beat them was RJJ.
     
  4. ApatheticLeader

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    Don't be silly. Name one performance of Eubanks that could be construed as top-class (barring perhaps the first Benn fight, which played straight into Eubanks hands).

    Eubank is the most sickeningly overrated fighter - he put in more poor performances than good ones.
     
  5. LiamE

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    To be honest I'd give Benn a punchers chance vs anyone including RJJ. Eubank would have posed him problems he never faced too and again he was capable of ending a fight with RJJ in one punch so he too was in with a shout. Watson, the classical boxer of the 3, would most likely have little chance.
     
  6. Raashid

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    I do recall Don King trying to organise a unification tourny with Frank Warren at the time and I believe Benn-Eubank II (for the WBC & WBO belts) was meant to be the first in the series. Michael Nunn (WBA champ who was a King fighter) was at ringside and the idea was he would fight the winner which would pressure the winner of Toney-Jones, who were not under King's control to meet the 3-belt holder.
    Because Benn-Eubank II ended in a draw, it never came off of course, I recall King expressing his annoyance that Eubank went back to defending his WBO belt with no interest in unification. There was still a plan to match Benn with Nunn, but then Nunn lost to Steve Littles on the undercard of Benn-Wharton. The whole unification plan just fizzled out after that, I presume a couple of German-based champions disappeared with some belts, Jones wasn't willing to cede any promotional control of his career.
    They'd have stood a chance against Nunn or Toney I think, he was getting pretty slob like by that stage, but Jones would have beaten them both handily.
     
  7. Eubank

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  8. ApatheticLeader

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    And your opinion that no American would have stood a chance is based on what exactly?
     
  9. columbo man

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    what a load of shite!!!!!!!!
     
  10. Strike

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    So who are these elite? Nunn? Who? Who would have smashed Eubank and Benn other than RJJ?
     
  11. ApatheticLeader

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    What makes you think they would have stood a chance? Did the average Eubank performance make you think

    "geez, this guy is brilliant, clearly the best in the world"

    I defy you to name 5 good performances from Eubank. Or even 1 top-class one that wasn't the first Benn fight.

    As for Benn, at 160 he wasn't a very smart fighter and anyone that had a decent chin and was good technically would have defeated him. Sanderline Williams, for instance, gave him absolute hell (although I concede he gave pretty much everyone hell).

    And at 168, he wasn't a huge puncher and was still had top-class boxing skills. He was far more canny but I never really saw a great performance from him at that weight.
     
  12. Strike

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    Funny because the absolute elite of the US fighters (other than RJJ) was McClellan, and a past his prime Benn fought him. What did Nunn or the other Americans have that was more than G-Man?

    Nothing.

    Name the 5 elite fighters other than RJJ who would have dusted Eubank and Benn.
     
  13. ApatheticLeader

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    Nunn, RJJ, Toney (who I would give Eubank a chance against if he had better stamina), McCullum, Kalambay, Hopkins (who would beat Benn 8 times out of 10).
     
  14. ApatheticLeader

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    No, McClellan was the most hyped out of those US stars. Funny what hype one-punch KO power can generate, huh? There's an enormous difference between hype and actual ability - Lacy being a recent case in point. And seeing as you say that Benn was past his prime at that point, please could you tell me when you consider Benn's prime to be?
     
  15. Eubank

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    The Americans they fought all lost.