Legend Roberto Duran has an important message for Manny Pacquiao..

So now we are going to say that Pac was faster than prime Sugar Ray Leonard? ****ing idiots. You guys should try watching some boxing like other people have here instead of just making **** up.

 

I'm a rabid fan of Pacquiao to the point where I'm often labelled a "*******", and yet even I know you're talking utter **** here. Pacquiao isn't going to be able to dance and outbox Duran, just because Manny is fast doesn't mean he can fight in that style. Even to beat Duran using that style, you have to be amazing at it and have advantages over him (weight, reach, etc), and Manny doesn't fight like that and doesn't have those advantages over him to such a degree as Ray did. Even if Pac used his speed and "gave him angles", he'd be cut off, pinned down, and worked over. Your underrating of Duran's abilities is completely nonsensical. He wiped out everyone he fought at lightweight and looked sensational at ww vs Leonard and Palomino. At these weights, which is where he'd fight Pacquiao, mere speed and "angles" would not be anywhere near enough. We're talking about one of the finest all-round fighting machines in boxing history here.

 

prime duran would destroy manny

 

There's a lot of comparisons with Duran and PAC.. Duran was never a man who held his tongue and he wasn't exactly one who lacked confidence. So....Duran has a lot of bravado and will never feel any boxer will match his greatness. I'd say this fight would be great at 140.....PAC's ideal weight and a little north of Durans best. I'd have to go with Duran only slightly. It would be war.

 

oh lord PLEASE tell me you tards are kidding...........

pacquiao is an all time great no doubt about it.
but a prime roberto duran?! are are talking about a top 5 ATG! top 10 at worst!

pac has speed but so did Surag Ray leonard?!
Duran has possibly one of the best combinations of offense and defense i've ever seen. how would manny get through to someone with amazing Defensive skill, while having the offensive firepower to stop pac in his tracks at the same time!

Watch some boxing before making idiotic comments such as these.

 

For the numerous uninformed posters in this thread, Duran didn't lose to speed. He lost to technically skilled slick boxers. DeJesus, Leonard, Benitez. When Leonard fought it out with Duran, he lost. When Leonard boxed him and played around, Duran lost. Benitez was as slippery a boxer as there has ever been.

The Hearns KO was simply an example of two great fighters in the ring and one got caught with a picture perfect punch. It happens. It happened to Pac against a far lesser fighter than Tommy Hearns.

I've actually always beencritical of Duran fans, I feel that he is actually overrated by some, but he steamrolls Pacquiao. Its a style thing. Pac isn't the type of fighter Duran lost to.

 

old man preachin.......true though,hell KTFO pac if they fought on the same era...

 

in line with the topic here, i just want ya'll to brace yourselves and be ready for the superbowl of boxing this year. watch the best, the pinnacle, floyd mayweather jr. ima take my C game to beat ortiz's A game. sep 17, mark the day. get ready for class

 

Duran lost to deJesus... then ****ing brutalized him twice.

Duran lost to a heavier, taller, longer, younger, fresher, hungrier Leonard above Duran's best weight at a weight where Leonard was more comfortable.

Duran lost to a taller, longer, younger, fresher, hungrier Benitez above Duran's best weight at a weight where Benitez was more comfortable.


If we are talking prime Duran vs prime Pac, then Pacquiao is NOT going to enjoy the same kind of advantages in fightnight weight, height, reach, youth, freshness, proximity to peak and comfort at the weight over Duran which both Leonard and Benitez did.

Prime Duran vs prime Pacquiao = either mid-late 70s 135lbs Duran vs Pac of 08 (D Diaz fight) or 1980 Montreal Duran vs 2009 Pac of Cotto fight.



Duran 5ft 7in, 66in reach, aged anywhere from 23 (2nd deJesus fight) to 29 (1st Leonard fight)

vs

Pacquiao 5ft 6 1/2in, 67in reach, aged 29 (Diaz) - almost 31 (Cotto)



In no way is this the same scenario as Duran vs SRL or Benitez.

 

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I agree with most of that except I think you're looking at physical similarities not stylistic. To be fair, the physical tools made a difference in the Hearns fight, not so much the Leonard and Benitez fights IMO.

Pac... I mean theres no real mystery, hes an aggressive fighter who throws a lot of punches. Hes great at it, but thats just not who Duran lost to.

If you slugged it out with Duran, you lost. Thats all there is to that story. If you used your wits, didn't fight Durans fight, then you had a shot. No one ever outfought prime Duran but a few fighters out thought him.

The Dejesus fights, I don't put as much stock into the rematches as I do the first fight, especially the third as Dejesus was way past his best. Dejesus was a pretty good fighter at his best and that was pretty early in Durans career. Sort of like Pacs loss to Torrecampo.

 

The physical factors did make a difference vs Leonard and Benitez IMO. Take fighters with those exact attributes, make them 5ft 6in, the same age and weight as Duran, and with a 66in reach, and you have a different fight, much more even. I don't buy into the whole size doesn't matter thing, styles make fights but they don't make results. Stylistic disadvantages can be overcome. And I disagree that deJesus was past his best in the 2nd Duran fight, I don't think he was at all.

 

Duran gets Koed by a hall of famer while Pac gets Ko ed by a no namer ..These Pacquio fans are clowns

 

This is a bit of a reach as well IMO. Duran lost a decision to DeJesus at a time when he was already a world champion and already held wins over Buchanan and Marcel. Pacquiao got knocked out by a wild shot from Torrecampo when he was 18 and had only had about 14 fights or so. Not the same situation at all. Duran-deJesus 1 was more similar to Pacquiao-Morales 1 where Pac like Duran got outboxed by a slicker opponent, but then came back to destroy that opponent after learning from that defeat. Morales and deJesus were both world-class fighters who were on the decline by the 3rd fight, Torrecampo was just a journeyman who got lucky vs a green novice.

 

Disagree. The evidence is right there in the Leonard fights. Duran beat Leonard, physical advantages and all. In the second fight, Leonard didn't just duke it out, he boxed and played around and Duran was so outclassed that he retired from boxing during the fight.

Iran Barkley had the same physical advantages in height as Hearns and a 74 inch reach (and beat Hearns) and he was no match for Duran, because he wasn't technically that great.
Duran had the ability to make you fight it out, that why he was so dominant at lightweight, there weren't a ton of slick athletic technical fighters at the weight. If you had the ability to take that away from him, you could beat him.

I'm not saying the physical advantages weren't a factor, but they weren;t THE factor. Even in the Hearns fight, a lot of guys involved with the fight said that Duran just wasn't himself coming into that fight, almost like he was afraid of Hearns.