Legend vs legend - Muhammad Ali vs Mike Tyson - When legends collide

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  1. mark ant

    mark ant Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Fouts states that the way to beat Tyson was to be able to fight with him and that Ali didn`t have enough pop on his shots to do that, is Fouts right? I also found out on this vid that Tyson was a converted southpaw, which was why his left hook was so powerful.
     
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  2. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher New Member Full Member

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    I don't agree Ali didn't have enough pop on his punches, he KO'ed the very durable Oscar Bonavena with one left hook. And stopped numerous tough fighters.

    All of Tyson's losses or certain fighters who troubled him. Wern't due to them having amazing power, it was either them being able to tie him up on the side, or using footwork and the jab.
     
  3. Rakesh

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    Oh boy, the grand question since the 80's.

    Ali would not need Tyson to back up, when he needed to prevent action he'd tie Tyson up.

    I think Ali outboxes Tyson with lateral movement with some hard shots hitting Ali, the idea Ali doesnt get hit once is bogus imo, he'd definitely get hit but take the sting out of some of them with his movement.

    Ali in a tight but clear UD. 15 rounder and I'd put some money on a Ali TKO.

    Never forget though, Tyson will always have that shot to change everything.
     
  4. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ali hit plenty hard enough to make Tyson respect him, not only
    that, to stop him. So Fouts is wrong on that.
    Ali wouldn't need to brawl with Tyson, and if he did
    that, he would forsake what his unique gifts were.
    Blinding speed of hand and foot, a punishing snappy
    jab, underrated and underestimated physical strength.
    He would easily be able to tie up and hold Tyson when
    the heat got too hot. (He did it to physically much stronger
    fighters.)
    In his prime Tyson was one of the most devastating offensive
    fighters in history. He also was a very unique because he
    was defensively sound. He had very quick feet, and could
    easily close the distance against most fighters in history....
    Most fighters.....
    But not Ali. That and Ali's will to win would be the key
    differences.
    I see Tyson coming at Ali like a angry pit bull on steroids.
    But Ali wouldn't be their the 1st 4-5 rds of the fight.
    We know that Tyson can be taken out of his game once
    frustration begins to seep into his mind.
    Ali would see the frustration and really start to press
    his offensive attack around the 7-8th rd.
    Tyson would shut down. He demonstrated that during
    all of his losing efforts and some of his winning.
    It would be target practice for Ali in the later rds as his
    better endurance and stronger mental make up begin
    to show .
    A 12 rd fight Ali wins a close but unanimous decision
    a 15 rd fights he stop Tyson after 11-12 rds.
     
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  5. ThatOne

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    The blueprint for the victory are the Frazier and Norton rematches. Stick and move and tie em up when you tire except Prime Ali is even faster and won't need to hold as much.
     
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  6. mark ant

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    No Holy went toe to toe and rarely used the jab, Douglas was mainly on the inside too.
     
  7. mark ant

    mark ant Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No Ali did tie Frazier up but he threw mainly hooks in his rematch v Frazier.
     
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    Ali by late ko or points decision.
    But not an easy fight for him as some claim. Even Douglas had to work hard to beat him, it wasn't a case of him just standing there jabbing at Tyson.
    There's danger in every punch Tyson throws, even to a guy like Ali with the chin he had.
     
  9. Bokaj

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    Both Liston and Foreman were effected by Ali's punches, so don't see why Tyson wouldn't be.
     
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  10. Bokaj

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    I think it's more Ali's ability to land clean often enough without being countered that will be crucial, rather than his power.
     
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    I wasn't just on about Holyfield and Douglas, i was on about all of Tyson's losses or opponents who gave him issue. For example James Tillis used footwork to trouble Tyson, kind of like a poor man's Ali.

    I also disagree Douglas was mostly on the inside, i haven't seen the fight in years. But as i remember it. Douglas was on the outside potshotting Tyson with the jab.

    And yes Holyfield didn't use the jab, but he tied up Mike Tyson alot on the inside, not allowing Tyson to get off.

    I think Ali would use combination of all of the above to beat Mike Tyson.

    He could clinch Mike Tyson on the inside, kind of like he did to Joe Frazier in there 2nd fight. And he could stay on outside potshotting Tyson with the jab.

    I don't really think power has much to do with it, like the article suggested. I mean did Holyfield or Douglas really hit any harder than Ali ? But even so Ali did hit hard enough for Tyson to respect him.
     
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  12. Bokaj

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    No on both accounts. Not even close. Douglas's main weapons against Tyson was his jab and right cross, and his lateral movement was very important in the early rounds, since he didn't let Tyson get set when he still was at his most dangerous.
     
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  13. Bokaj

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    Holy actually used his jab a fair deal. Not as much as Douglas did, but he was still important on occasion to break Tyson's rhythm, especially early on.
     
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  14. RulesMakeItInteresting

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    If Holyfield could rock Tyson again and again then Ali could do about the same. Holy had a very good punch, but I wouldn't rate him much over 70s Ali.

    60s Ali would jab and hold, right lead and hold, keep moving. He might get dropped by a left hook but no doubt in my mind Mike would get overwhelmed by the hand and foot speed and get stopped in 9 at the outside. 70s Ali might stop him earlier.

    I don't see this fight going anywhere near the distance, once Mike falls he's on his way out (and I have massive respect for Iron Mike btw).
     
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  15. mark ant

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    Foreman gassed and Tyson took Ruddock`s punches.
     
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