Legendary Prime vs Prime (Heavyweight)

How is Bowe an ATG - from winning one fight against a peak Holy

How about Tyson V Douglas then?atsch

 

Bowe Holyfield is the best one i can think of.

 

I would n't really count Cooney as an all time great. He was a pretty good fighter who had a lot of potential,but sadly never fulfilled it. Along with so many other heavyweights of the1980's.

 

Yes,I go along with this one,if we're talking about guys who were both in their prime,or not far off it.

 

Ali Frazier
Ali Foreman
Ali Norton
Holmes Norton

 

Moore vs. Maricano

 

Louis was in his prime against Schmeling the first time around but not at his peak. Same with Schmeling. The second time around Max was past his prime.

Baer-Schmeling would fit there.
Sharkey-Schmeling the first time fits the bill perfectly, the second time still somewhat but I won´t argue if somebody says Sharkey was a bit past it.

 

Ali was past it against Foreman.
Norton is not an atg.

 

Ali was still not far off his prime though. As I'm always saying,when in shape and focused Ali was the nearest to his '67 peak as he could get between 1972 - 74.

 

I agree with you but there are many who would beg to differ on Norton...especially h2h.

 

Well norton does NOT rank highly head to head because he's handicapped vs punchers and because he didn't beat anyone that was in their prime. he beat Quarry, Ali, yeah, but these guys were signifficantly faded.

Well Ali-Frazier works more then Holmes-Cooney because Cooney was not an ATG or legendary.
Ali still looked damn good, and was shoveling those one two's out very well.


Foreman-Frazier is still not really a good comparison if you're not going to use the Ali-Frazier comparison. Frazier took batterings in the first Ali fight and the Quarry fight. He was not using his right hand as much as he was using in the Ellis fight or even the first quarry fight.
Also his weight increased, and he clearly didn't look as conditioned as he was vs Foster, Quarry, or Ali.

 

Corbett vs Jackson is the standout, imo
The rest fall just short for various reasons:

Corbett vs Fitzsimmons
Johnson vs Jeanette
Langford vs Wills
Marciano vs Moore
Ali vs Liston I
Liston vs Patterson
Frazier vs Foreman
Holyfield vs Bowe
Walcott vs Charles
Louis vs Baer
Braddock vs Baer
Braddock vs Louis
Louis vs Schmelling

 

come on dude,
liston was not prime in the Ali fight or the Patterson fight.

 

Really? I thought he must have been pretty damn close in Patterson I, actually i thought he was prime, the only question mark on that fight qualifying would have been the status of Paterson being legendary.

Liston was past prime vs Ali, but not that far past prime, being just 6 or so months after his second demolition job on Paterson. It would only just fall short of qualifying.

Johansen v Paterson I and perhaps two is another i just thought of too, though i dont know if these two are necessarilly qualifying under the legendary qualification.