Legit fights that would seem shady with old film?

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  1. reznick

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    Can you guys think of any modern fights or knockouts that were legit, but could be interpreted as shady if it happened in, say, the 1930's, due to poorer camera technology?
     
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    Give it up. Even with a digital camera Ketchels kd of Johnson looks fishy, as most eyewitness accounts present at the fight concur (unless you think their vision was collectively black and white and moving at 15 frames per second as well). Nice try but I saw where you were going with that...
     
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    Lol what. An embarrassing swing and a miss.
     
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    The Mundine-Ottke knockout could've been viewed as a fix thanks to Sven's prodigiously poor punching power and the dramatic effects of a shot that didn't look all that bad. With bad camera tech, it'd only look more out of place.
     
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    Many people scratch their heads at the Foreman-Moorer KO until they see the close up shot.
     
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    I can see this one coming under harsh scrutiny.

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    klompton claims that one as a fix as it stands.
     
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    lol really?
    why does he think that?
    I give him the benefit of the doubt that it's something beyond his interpretation of the film.
     
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  10. Unforgiven

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    Which Fights Do You Think Were Fixed or Thrown?

    klompton wrote: Foreman-Moorer: When you get down to it and start digging into how much money Bob Arum was throwing around to keep the Foreman gravy train rolling along and then look at how ridiculous the KO was its pretty obvious to me. Foreman nuthuggers who think his power was just ungodly will get pissed when you bring this but those are just the type of people Foreman and Arum were taking advantage of.

    http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=129865&sid=5cc6f9f260d2aea8a0fc91149ffcfe3b
     
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    It seems shady in 1986 film, nevermind 1930s.
    There's no angle I've seen that suggests that punch connected.
     
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    What about this?
    https://streamable.com/uap0n
     
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  13. Unforgiven

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    So film's not important then.
    How are you defining "legit fights" ?
     
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    damn.
    That was seven years ago.
    I wonder if he still thinks that now.

    This example strongly reflects my point in this thread. Even a historian questions the legitimacy of that KO? Imagine if it was filmed with even worse conditions.

    It honestly does look strange until watching the close up shot, because Foreman had wicked shoulder snap, where the delivery of the punch is subtle, but the impact is explosive. And you see that up close.

    If it were filmed with the camera that filmed Ali-Liston II, same angle, no alternate angle, perhaps it would be called a phantom punch.

    In a moment of magical serendipitous irony, he had a problem with this thread, then I mentioned the Foreman example, and he happened to fit that bill.

    Another loony day at Classic forum.
    *outro music*
     
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