Legitimate champion or Oaf?

When Baer won the title, he suggested an eliminator tournament amongst the top talent around. And mentioned Impelletiere as one of the names.

Impelletiere was fighting world class comp way too soon. Matchmaking has gotten much better since.

 

Some have the talent to cope with a step up some don't.If Impelletiere had Carnera's management he may well have duplicated his achievements, he was a better boxer.It might be a case of," right place right time".

 

Carnera is also an underachiever. With that Body he could have ruled the division for Years

 

No ,Firpo was a big one handed tub with no technique at all,all he had was a great righthand punch and a pair of balls.
Dempsey revolutionized heavyweight boxing ,he had foot work ,head movement ,speed of hand and foot, terrific power in both hands,a very good chin, cut resistant skin ,a great variety of short rapid punches, and a streak of ruthless cruelty in him, he was a natural fighter.

 

I think that the opposite is true to be honest.

I think that he did as much as was possible with the talent that he had, and that he became champion in an era of better champions.

That is the definition of an overachiever.

 

I don't see the raw material in Firpo he was,slow, lazy, hated to train , and ate like a pig. I'm not surprised Baer mentioned Impelletiere as a possible name for an elimination tournament having just wrecked one moderately skilled giant he would have been licking his chops at the prospect of defending against another.Got to go ,going to the theatre to see a play about Tom Molineaux.

 

Carneras management could perhaps have got Impellitiere a title shot, but once he was in with the very best of the division he would have been on his own, and that is where it would have been a step too far.

Carnera was in the right place at the right time.

He was lucky that his title shot came against a declining Sharkey on an off night.

He was lucky (or unlucky) that his title eliminator came against a sick Schaff.

The rest was down to him.

 

It may or may not be relevant to the appreciation of Impelletiere ,that he was outboxing Carnera for several rounds,and though ,as you recently suggested,it appears Impelletiere may have had a few more contests that are unrecorded, he had nowhere near the 87 that Carnera had when they met.
I would guess that given the same calibre of opposition as Carnera and with some "assistance ", along the way."The Imp" may well have progressed as far as "The Alp" did.
If I still made threads I might pose that very question.

 

There is a guy called Daniel Dubois who had the best of Anthony Joshua in sparring over twelve rounds.

http://boxrec.com/boxer/787430

Some guys are naturals, and some have to learn the trade.

Whatever path Carnera took to the top, his status as champion depended upon a brilliant performance against Jack Sharkey.

 

Watched Dubois 3rd fight this afternoon19 years old ,big right hand puncher and a big lad,can he take a shot? Time will tell

 

I was telling a guy in general the other day who was enquiring about Dubois ceiling. I didn't name you but told him what you told me a couple months back - basically that he was a natural and could eclipse Joshua, I said if a die hard classicist rates him he must have something about him.

I don't agree with a lot of your views janitor (good sign for you) but I appreciate the time you have taken to always answer any queries I asked of you or help me with anything I needed explaining.

 

Add an option called "somewhere in between" if you're honest and dont want to just use the results of the poll as a manipulative agenda tool