Legitimate champion or Oaf?

Thankyou. It was never my intention to deceive anybody.

what is nonsensical about "is Primo Carnera a guy who became an undisputed champion by winning the title by knockout or simply a hoax?"

Name a "half way phoney" who legitimately won a world title or won a number of fights on the level against good opponents. Half way phoneys can't win world level fights on the level. A half way phoney boxer should not be capable of beating any real fighter on the level. Never mind a contender on the level. That's like saying Micky Rourke or Sly stalone might beat a contender on the level.

so by asking to vote-

"yes Primo paid his dues at world level" that's the opposite of "is Primo Carnera a guy who became an undisputed champion by winning the title by knockout or simply a hoax?"

how doesn't that match the threads title "legitimate champion or oaf?"

Isn't it clear One must have established "paying your your dues at world level" to win the championship by knockout.

And if the thread asks-

"legitimate champion or Oaf"

-why shouldn't the second option be "no, Primo was a fraudulent oaf".

The whole title asks "was he legitimate"!

The purpose of the thread was to discover what percentage of historians think Primo was a legitimate champion. A gun to the head decision on legitimacy.

If you want to discover if somebody considers themselves "on fire" the option is "are you on fire?". There is no point in having an option that says "I can't decide if I am on fire or not". You are either on fire or you are not.

Likewise, a champion is either a phoney champion or he is good enough to a real champion all along. if he's not good enough to have knocked out Sharkey then he's a phoney champion.

If you can't decide he's good enough to do what he did then Primo is a phoney.

There is no "I can't decide he was for real so that must make him real".

To sit on the fence on this is to endorse a measure of doubt in his legitimacy. Which amounts to being a phoney.

 

what a lucky guy he must have been. He was born into a world where he was bigger and luckier than everyone else. I'm sure with that much luck he made an absolute fortune betting on himself!

 

Ah right, that also explains the normal sized parents, normal sized daughter and perhaps kidney Failure?

The genie of the lamp forgot to include Herculean kidneys...

 

That's your prerogative. Sharkey was 1-1 with Schmeling. His claim was as legitimate as Schmeling was when he collected the title on a foul in a fight he was losing.

I don't think we can have it both ways. If Schmeling wasn't legit either then it makes Sharkey and Schmeling joint best heavyweights in the world doesn't it?

Beating either of these as Primo did would give a champion a stronger claim than any other champion who never beat the best regarded heavyweight in the world, of which there are many.

The alternative of course would just be to regard both Schmeling and Sharkey as legitimate champions (as the world did at the time when they were undisputed champions).

How many undisputed champions don't you regard as legitimate?

 

I've been through this a thousand times. A fighter is world legit or he isn't.

An "undecided" option still puts doubt on his being a fraud or partially phoney champion.

Think of it like this. If there is a middle ground option it creates the concept of An undecided or partially phoney boxer.

It's like deciding on Micky Rourke being world class or not. He wasn't. or assuming Micky Rourkes career could have been fixed all the way to the championship. What would be the point of having an "undecided" option on Micky Rourke??

I am really starting to think you guys secretly need to believe Carnera was a phoney. Half of you didn't even vote when somebody posted a poll with that option!!

 

Yes it's tells me everything. It tells me those who were disappointed (that a majority decided that Primos career was not B.S after all) then argued for a midway ground option on another poll and when they got it, exactly what they asked for, A new thread, STILL they were too chicken sh!t to put their reputations on the line. Even with the middle ground option some of you did not vote!!

It really is quite laughable.

 

Or 87 out of 100?