Legitimate champion or Oaf?

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You phrased your thread so you were guaranteed the result you wanted. Dishonest and blatantly obvious I would not dignify it with a vote.
Uzcudun got a majority draw in Spain wow ! Big Surprise!
After the draw Uzcudun had 2 more fights lost them both,[one to Schmeling,] and retired! Please don't try to portray him as a live contender because he emphatically wasn't!

 

What a terribly constructed Poll.

Why not just ask whether or not the forum thinks the Carnera/Sharkey fight was fixed, with options for "Yes", "No" or "Undecided"?

Why embellish the only two options you offer, with leading narrative; the negative being specific and harsh (fraudulent oaf); the positive being broad and rounded (paid his dues)?

And, by not making allowances for those, who might have doubts but are not absolutely sure, you will not get accurate feedback in the numbers. Those abstaining, such as myself, will not be quantified.

The Poll's results cannot be viewed as reliable.

 

I don't know if he was a "legitimate champion".
I don't think Jack Sharkey was a legit champion, he'd been awarded the title on a dubious decision against Schmeling, who himself had bagged the vacant championship on a foul when they had first met.

 

Schmeling was becoming a legitimate champion by defeating Stribling then seemingly oupointing Shakey in the rematch he'd been ordered to take. But the judges declared otherwise.

Max Baer was the first really legitimate champion since Tunney retired. By KOing Schmeling and battering Carnera his claim to be the world's best was legitimate.

 

Yes, but Carnera needed to prove superiority over Baer more so.

Baer in fact smashed Schmeling around the ring 3 weeks before Carnera challenged Sharkey. He could already claim to have the best claim to be world's #1 before Carnera was even champion.
Baer destroyed the man who most thought had defeated Sharkey a year earlier.
Carnera knocked out a lesser Sharkey, overweight and looking older than his years.

 

Reach is only one factor in determining who will outjab who in any boxing match. Just because a fighter has longer reach does not mean they outjab or avoid the jab of the smaller fighter. Timing, speed are much more important factors to consider. The manner in which Carnera is being disparaged by some here he should not be able to beat a technician like Loughran yet he won going away.

 

I gave the alternative Poll question, as an example.

In your Thread Title and Your Poll question, you use the word

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. In your introductory post you ask:

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I'm trying to understand your uses of the terms "legitimate" and "hoax", as well as how many questions you are trying to ask here, with only two options of reply; themselves adorned with further divergence of meaning.

In your view, maybe.
More like that of a Banana Republic, from what I'm looking at.

Indeed, sometimes one does. But, this isn't one of those times.
There's plenty of grey in this debate and you have not even attempted to accommodate the middle ground.
Moreover, the "gun to the head", in this case, is the purposefully implanted bias towards one of the available, absolute options.

Typically, because you think you're right and will not recognize that the Poll you have created is a dog's dinner, you would claim the results are reliable. They are not.

You have, at the same time, also killed off any appetite for and, in turn, any meaningful results from a further Poll addressing a similar, even if a better put, question and options. This, due partly in thanks to your ham-fisted effort here but, mainly because the Carnera debate has already been comprehensively covered very recently.

You continue to demonstrate your extreme bias with your 'dog with a bone' Poll. I wonder, do you/did you have a career or a connection to a career in Politics? I'm only curious since, in my experience, politicians tend to care less for the actual truth and more about getting people to agree with their point of view.

 

Few today understand the sensation Schmeling caused when he came to the US to fight in the late 20's. Huge crowds were turned away from his bouts which produced record attendance. Schmeling was a leading contender or hwt champion for a decade. He was a or the hwt star from 1928 to 1938.