Lemieux could be back in the mix at 160

What? As far as natural talent i would give Lemieux the edge in handspeed, footspeed, athleticism and he's without a doubt the more technically sound boxer. Tighter sharper punches which includes bringing his hands back to defend himself after throwing, much better combinations, more head movement, much better footwork, balance and mobility. Lemieux looks like he's been boxing since a kid while Guerrero looks like he started around 20 with little amateur backround.

 

Mah english..i pardon it.
When Pirog was still a titlist people were tagging him as the next big thing at MW. Not that i have anything against him.
At the same time we had Lemieux coming up through the ranks and as you know this forum, they were both talked about vs Martinez.

Then Lemieux got his **** pushed in and you already covered Pirog.

 

Are we talking about David Lemieux here?

There have been some improvements under Ramsay, but Anber basically had Lemieux built over fourteen years into a pure slugger and instilled crude habits that will probably never be shaken. (he still displayed some of them versus Torres his last time out)

Guerrero makes lots of mistakes - his defense is every bit as bad as Lemieux's, at times - but he is undeniably quicker of hand and foot, more agile, more fluid putting combinations together, and the better counter puncher. :? I don't see how you could possibly misconstrue that.

Lemieux is more durable and has the much bigger punch (with the left hook as well but especially with the southpaw-killer right hand, which he used to destroy Camacho Jr. - another quick and mobile lefty, and someone whose end came while trapped on the ropes, where Guerrero often struggles himself), though, and that will probably decide the outcome here.

 

True but if we are talking about what-if scenarios (as in the last sentence of your 1st paragraph) your entire 2nd paragraph could just as easily apply to Guerrero, substituting "What if he weren't so damn fragile and had a chin that held up to his fundamentals and raw athleticism?" for "what if all the other category boxes were ticked off with the same giant check mark David gets for 'power'?"

Both of them would have a hard time with the contenders you named, and it could be that neither posts a win over any of them. Guerrero and Lemieux are both the sort you cringe watching, aware of their frailties' likelihood to betray them in any real step up in class (and Murray, Macklin, N'Dam N'Jikam and Quillin represent a step up from the guys Lemieux and Guerrero lost to...) - but of course those vulnerabilities make them more exciting as well, and makes it a feel-good story when they do overcome...and honestly, either of them could spring an upset at that contender level on a good night, if the stars aligned for them. Golovkin, Martinez, or even Sturm, however? No way. Neither of these guys is remotely competitive with the champs.

 

I can't wait for this fight.

 

Lemieux has to prove himself with more than just one semi-decent victory to get in the mix

 

Exactly, and so does Guerrero.

Neither of them is back in any sort of mix (at least not in the sense of a 'title hunt' mix) just for beating each other.

Zepeda, Gaona, Ayrapetyan, Swierzbinski, Upshaw & Torres is a whole lot of nothing for Lemieux since his 2011 defeat.

Likewise, so is Kliewer, Naugler, Medina, Candelo, and Gatica (plus getting bashed up by KC) for Guerrero since his 2011 defeat.

Either man will be the other guy's biggest accomplishment in years. (since 2009/2010, a pair of banner years for both men)

Neither rightfully cracks even a top middleweight ten for a coup over the other, even if dominant.

 

Not with this haircut.

 

You sir are crazy. I'll give you counter punching but that's all. How you could say Guerrero has faster feet or throws better combinations is utterly incomprehensible. Handspeed is closer but i definitely think Lemieux has the edge and all of that will be evident this weekend. While neither is a defensive wizard David at least keeps his hands in a good defensive position and brings them back after punching unlike Guerrero.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HhLdS_CRvE[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WarE8iD48rg[/url]

 

It's the Jimmy Darmody he plans on going WWI all over the MW division.

 

Good post.....

As for his power....yeah, he's definitely right up there with Stevens and Quillin.....probably not near GGG.....

But what I really like about him is his handspeed. He doesnt have the greatest footwork, so as MOST predict, if he WERE to ever win a title, he be out-positioned to land his shots, while at the same time, exposing his whiskers....someone like GGG or Martinez, and to an extent, Sturm would expose his lack of overall ring generalship and hurt him.

However.....Im like a few who admire that he didnt turn over and go away. His resurgence put him on this big stage this w/e......and IMO, he should be in a better fight than the main event will be.

I didnt like Lemieux when he was getting hype by Canadian nationist fanny's....but I respect him moreso now that he's lost and come back somewhat. I wish him well, and anybody that's a threat to Quillin the Quacker is a friend of mine.

 

Lemieux will destroy Guerrero!

Let's keep in mind Lemieux is 25 and fought an eliminator fight at 22 and fought a 35 years old former champ at 23 in what was a really close fight.

Lemieux is legit and skill. He hits hard. He doesn't have great footwork and have t-rex arms, which doesn't help him.

 

He has the punch, but does he have the boxing potential.