Lennox lewis 90-98

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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    How do you view lewis during this time frame?

    For me he spent the start of the decade doing what any prospect should. By blowing out razor he catapulted himself to number 2 in the world.

    Him and mccall never really proved superiority over each other with both winning in controversial fashion (just how good a finisher was mccall? Would he have done the job?)

    The next thing lewis did to really put his name out there was to destroy golota (the man who spent most of 96 battering the big daddy) and then of course he eventually got his shot at the end of the decade against a fading holyfield.

    Do you view lewis as the perennial number 2 of the decade? Are there certain years were you think he stood out as the best in the division and if so which fights took him there?

    I've listed the two that come to mind for me but I don't think either was quite enough to move him above his contemporaries.

    His resume over the decade is great for me, but circumstantially I don't think he was ever better than number 2.
     
  2. Ncc84

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    who do you have as number 1 then? Holyfield?
     
  3. PowerPuncher

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    He never got his chance to prove he was number 1 until '99. He quite possibly would have always beaten Bowe, Tyson and Holyfield, which he did when he fought them - don't forget that, they didn't want to fight him and when they did they all lost. You can say 'yea but, yea but, yea but' all you want but those are the facts.

    Lennox was always skilled and always a physical beast, very fast, huge, very strong - maybe the strongest HW ever functionally. So that combination

    The Golota and Rudduck wins are massive really, Golota effectively beat Bowe into retirement, so to blow him out in a round is huge. Not as big as beating Bowe, but very underrated. Rudduck had a fair share of success against a Tyson many considered best in the world and another blow out.

    The Akinwande win for me is another underrated, Akinwande was black listed (and suffered from an illness) after that but he was 1 of the divisions greater talents - just look at footage of him. Morrison was quick handed with wins over Rudduck/Foreman and was dominated and ko'd. Mercer was also good enough to push Holyfield and Lewis to the finish line. Bruno had 1 of the best jabs in the division, so did Tucker

    The McCall loss was sheer complacency against a boxer not near Lewis's class

    From 90-91 he proved himself clearly the best in Europe cleaning out the best Euro contenders and the Mason (RIP) win is forgot, Mason was 35-0 and rated top5 in the world by some, Lewis retired him.

    The Briggs win is very good - a completely dominant blow out. Briggs outboxed Bowe for periods and gave him plenty of trouble. Actually if you compare common opponents Lewis is outperforming Bowe with each one - Holyfield 2-1 versus 2-0, Golota, Briggs

    So no Lewis didn't win the lineal championship until he blew out Briggs and didn't unify the division until Holyfield but he was beating many of the best names and probably was the best all along. It's a similar situation to Dempsey-Wills pretty much, except Lewis at the age of 34, past his own physical prime, eventually unified the situation
     
  4. lufcrazy

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    90-92 holyfield
    92-94 bowe
    94-retirement holyfield
    95-96 bowe
    96 tyson
    96-99 holyfield
     
  5. RockysSplitNose

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    Lewis at his best ie the Ruddock Lewis would have beat any other heavyweight around during that timeframe - even an off night Lewis ie Bruno Lewis was too good when he decided to pull it out and let them have it - he was criminally avoided during this period - at the end of the day he was the real champion of the world when Bowe ducked him IMO
     
  6. lufcrazy

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    I think he'd have always beaten holy but I don't think there was ever an occasion where he was consistently beating better opponents than holy up until 99 obviously.

    Bowe i'm in two minds because I recently dropped bradley behind khan for the exact same reason so I need to review that in more detail.

    I think up until 97 tyson beats lewis because i'm totally unconvinced by his ability to take his shots.

    I suppose lewis could be seen as the best from trashcan to fanman but it's something I can't make a decision on. Every other bit of the decade i'm happy with.

    After unifying every claim with holy (wbc, lineal, wbo, ibf, wba, ring) there isn't any doubt who the king was imo.
     
  7. PowerPuncher

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    If you're looking at who was the best retrospectively it's obvious Tyson was never the best in the world in '96, it's obvious Bowe was never the best from 95-96. You have to ask 'when did Lewis overtake Holyfield in terms of ability' too, which may have been as early as '91. I certainly can't the see '94 version beating Lewis.
     
  8. lufcrazy

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    I do think he should be regarded as one of the most avoided heavyweights out there because at worst he's number 2 for almost 7 years before getting his shot. That's like langford, jackson, wills, liston etc it's certainly on that scale atleast if not more so.
     
  9. PowerPuncher

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    So you're talking who did most year on year, rather than 'who was the best'. If that's the case Bowe's claim probably goes out the window after his first Holy loss as his comp dropped off

    As for Tyson, stylistically Tyson has a shot, but the 96 version is a question mark. Lennox has could neutralise Tyson's attacks. His chin is also better than advertised
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIRShCBKwng[/ame]
     
  10. lufcrazy

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    Bit of both really, not just year on year but other a certain period. I think tyson's destruction of bruno and seldon was better than anything anyone else did at the time.

    Bowe's comp dropped but was it significantly worse than anyone elses? I'm not sure.

    Lewis had I very good chin, but tyson had elite power.
     
  11. lufcrazy

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    I rate his victories over morrison, bruno, akinwande and tucker all over briggs.
     
  12. lufcrazy

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    Briggs achieved nothing of note until sparking lyak.

    Morrison soundly out boxed george whereas briggs was made to look like the older man.

    Akinwande was unbeaten and awkward.

    Ruddock had hype about him.

    I could go on but I won't. Basically briggs is ****.
     
  13. lefthook31

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    How does one spectacular performance erase what happened after the Ruddock fight. His struggles with Bruno and then getting flattened by Mcall, proved he wasnt close to the finished product. Lewis then went on to go life and death with Ray Mercer, who was beaten by Jesse Ferguson and Larry Holmes a short time earlier. Lewis wasnt a world beater until 1997, but Im not sure he ever beats prime versions of Holyfield Bowe and Tyson. He had too many holes in his game in the early 90's and it WAS exposed by lessor fighters.
     
  14. The Kurgan

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    No he didn't. You're thinking of another fatty that Briggs actually fought. ;)

    Otherwise, I agree with your post.
     
  15. PowerPuncher

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    Oops I meant Biggs