Lewis outboxes Foreman and stops him late. He loses a narrow decision to Holmes. He'd knock Norton out.
I've also heard Foreman say that Lewis is the greatest, and I don't agree as well. I do believe Lennox Lewis right now is the greatest of the heavyweight big men in the history of the sport. He's certainly way ahead of Willard, Baer and Carnera.
1. Joe Louis - Joe Louis was a natural instinctive boxer. 2. Lennox Lewis - Lewis was an intelligent boxer who studies the sport and found the best style to dominate the division 3. Muhammad Ali - a flair boxer who developed styles and set trends, but at times he was sloppy. But to be honest i wouldn't mind changing the top 3 i change my mind very often who is no 1-3 but this is my top 3.
You can make a good case for Lewis being no1 Hw of all time, especially H2H where he benefits from nutrition, supplements, fight videos, modern training If we go off resume/achievement alone, there is still a case: 1. Took on the biggest/strongest set of contenders in history - this is unarguable 2. Took on the biggest punchers in HW history - Tyson, Tua, McCall, Klitschko, Rudduck, Morrison, Bruno 3. Beat the next top HW in Klitschko at 37 4. Beat every man he faced 5. Beat top5 rated fighters year on year from '91-03 6. Greats like Holyfield and Tyson, aged or not, no one else beat both these men 7. 1 of the most avoided HWs in history, ducked by Bowe, Tyson, Holyfield, Moorer and Foreman 8. Reclaimed the HW title past his prime 9. Following wins put in context: Mason when he was top5 and undefeated Rudduck when he was top3 Bruno when he was top5 Mercer when he was top10 Morrison when he was top10 McCall redemption Akiwande when he was WBO belt holder Golota when he was considered no1 after retiring Bowe Briggs when he was Holyfield when he was considered no1 Grant when he was considered the new mesiah Tua when he was top5 and considered the new Tyson Tyson when he was top3 Vitali when he was top2 and prime
That's far better than the remnants of an argument I put in the OP! Cheers. For me the number 1 is Ali still but all those facts you put forward really make you think.
This is basically a list of the things that Lewis did good. That's fair enough. But do you accept that a similair list based upon Muhammad Ali's acheivments would be better? Or not? Because this is not that comparative, aside from areas where Lewis excells. "You could make the case for Lewis being #1, especially head to head." What? In spite of the fact that he got beaten by two HW's that probably don't make the top 200 head to head in his prime? How about the fact that he looks like he'll go if you get him on the chin?
Impressive achievements, no doubt, but it still isn't in the league of Ali and Louis. Your'e right that he was in the era of the strongest and most powerful HWs, but I wouldn't make to much out of this since Lewis had access to the same nutrition, supplements and training methods that made the fighters in that era so big and strong. And you could spin it differently and say that the HWs in his era had the worst stamina and workrate of any era. They were also comparatively slow in general.
The biggest, strongest Heavyweight fighters were clearly in the Seventies. Earnie Shavers, George Foreman, Joe Frazier, Ron Lyle,Oscar Bonavena,George Chuvalo. Ali faced them all & was not stopped once.
These fighters were nowhere near the size and strength of Vitali, Grant, Rudduck, Golota, Bruno Ali and Lennox both fought massive punchers ofcourse
Yes I think only Ali tops this reign personally though, perhaps Joe Louis Lennox got beaten when he let his guard down and wasn't focused, the rematches proved that. The Rahman loss was AT ALTITUDE past his prime - ever been to high altitude? Its hard enough going for a jog let alone fighting. Lennox flew in at the last miniute, Rahman prepared at altitude for months. The McCall loss was pre technical prime at the hands of a don King ref and 1 of the biggest punchers in HW history (YES!!!), and Lewis may have survived but he took McCall for granted anyway and the rest of his career shows that In terms of Rahman/McCall not being top200 H2H, I'd say that underrates them both, history will remember them more fondly So all that aside, H2H Lenny stacks up well, firstly he's obviously the biggest strongest great, he has 1 of the best jabs, he is 1 of the most athletic, hes 1 of the biggest punchers, and hes 1 of the best technically
I there are plenty of fighters that have a case for being ranked ahead of Lewis, especially if we don't ignore those two losses, but I have no problem with this statement, generally ranking Lewis at 3 or 4. I'm sick of hearing this, even if it is partly true. Why isn't focus, intensity, attitude a part of ranking a fighter? These are some of the most important attributes in boxing!! And in spite of what Lewis die-hards think (and I know because I am close to being one), avenging embarrassing defeats is not the same as erasing them. My pick for Lewis's single best performance in the ring is Rahman II. I do not accept for one second that Lewis was past his boxing prime when he lost to Rahman. As a counter-argument, I do believe Lewis should recieve more credit than he generally does for his longevity. Agree with all of this but still A - He got beaten by two fighters who are not inside the top 200 head to head whilst in his prime B - He looks like if you clock him on his chin he will go. Nah, I don't think he has the case for #1 head to head, though his skillset and his considerable (and sustained) head to head ability do contribute to his overall ranking.
1. In terms of length of dominance against the best at the top and proving themself best in the era? Perhaps Johnson too but his title reign was weak, Holmes opposition was weak, the rest weren't fighting enough of the top men or proving themselves the best for long enough 2. OK but What about Louis's contentious decisions? What about Ali's losses to Frazier and Norton, that some may argue weren't truly elite? What about Ali's arguable gifts? Dempsey's losses, Holmes disputable wins and his destruction against Tyson. Every champ has their indiscretions and poorer performances 3. He was past his physical prime and the altitude clearly did him in, he may aswell have been 50 4. A. McCall beat 5champions and 2 ATG top10ers, was he that bad? He's 2-1 against ATGs, better than Frazier B. Lennox Lewis had an iron chin : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4SQmxIP5Bk 5. We'll never know about the H2H, I rate him highly and prime for prime few stand a chance