Lennox lewis haters: DO you give his resume credit?

Tyson was shot to ****, Danny Williams beat him more convincing. Holy had also faded. The best fighter Lewis faced was Klitschko and he was losing.

 

Lewis was losing before he won the fight. atsch

 

This is all true. Bruno was also out boxing Lewis, winning on points, till he got starched by a great blow.

Lewis is very good none the less!!!

*It annoys me when people say Lewis beat Tyson, he didn't really*

 

=this thread


Lennox beat every one he ever faced and was THE MOST DUCKED HEAVYWEIGHT OF THE MODERN ERA.

Bowe threw his belt in the trash can rather than get his ass beat again.

Tyson paid millions.

Foreman simply said no thanks.

And Holyfield dragged his feet.

Lennox is a Top 10 ATG and no from the 80's or 90's is ranked higher regardless of how you tools try and spin it. :hi:

 

Damn good fighter and most assuredly all time great.....

 

Lewis was a great fighter, much better than most give him credit.

 

The Lewis fan is always full of excuses. Full of excuses for why he never faced ANY of the other top guys in his era when they were even close to their best, and didn't fight Bowe at all. Usually, they also make excuses for why he is the ONLY one of these guys who was taken out TWICE in the early rounds when he held the title. Hell, he's the only one of these guys who got bombed out early like that ONCE!!!

Lewis is the most OVERRATED heavyweight of modern times, as posts like this prove again and again.:yep

 

Lewis was a great Champion and he is ATG Top 10.

Retired as a Champion and will be remebered as the Champ.

 

Without getting into a pointless drawn out debate, here is my two cents.

He beat every man he ever faced, dominated the division and fought the majority of fighters out there. He missed out on fighting Bowe and perhaps Moorer but was one of the most dominant heavyweights since Holmes.

He was iced by two big punchers but came bak to avenge both losses. For me he was a great heavyweight and his retirement has left a gaping whole in the division. Regarding his resume though - it's very good.

 

The people who say "He fought Tyson and Holyfield past his best" & "He didn't fight Bowe" really need to learn about boxing. Anyone making those statements is either very stupid or wasn't following the sport in the 1990s.

The truth was that Tyson and Don King didn't want a fight with Lewis. They should have met in 1996 but Don King paid Lewis step aside money so that he didn't pursue his mandatory obligation. Tyson fought Bruce Seldon instead.

After that fight Tyson gave up his WBC title rather than face Lewis.

As for Holyfield, well he was offered a fight with Lewis in 1992, 1994, 1996 and 1997 and turned them all down.

Riddick Bowe was offered fights with Lewis consistantly throughout the 90s but "Chicken Bowe", as he came to be know, refused them all and even gave up his WBC title rather than face Lewis because Lewis knocked him out in 1988 Olympics.

Lewis was avoided by all the top heavies of the 90s.

These are facts.

 

BULL****! Lewis was a very skilled boxer with a great jab who had a 3 inch reach advantage over Wlad. Lewis had much better ring generalship and there is nothing to suggest that Wlad is a signifcantly better boxer than Lennox.

 

That is one of the worst posts I have ever read.

 

**** right off.

McCall and Rahman were both good, top contenders, in a golden age of HW boxing. Both were very dangerous fighters, there is no denying that.

By no stretch of the imagination were they journeymen. That argument simply does not stack up.

And WTF is up with your argument about Tyson? Yeah the 90's were deep, so what that was not Tyson's era, Tyson was prime in late 80's when the division was ****ing awful. Lewis' resume shits all over Tyson's, that cant be denied.

 

Good post:good

But the Haters will just call them excuses despite all the evidence to the contrary.

Bowe only got the shot at Holyfield by agreeing to fight the winner of Ruddock/Lewis but of course once Lewis starched Rudduck, Bowe and his handlers didn't want to know.

Tyson took the path of least resistance on his come back. Winning the WBC title against Bruno who he had already beaten before. Then paying Lewis millions so he could fight Seldon who is one of the weakest title holders ever, who lasted 1 round against Bowe. He then vacates WBC title to fight Holyfield. That in itself clearly states that Tyson rated Lewis over Holyfield knowing at the very least Lewis would have been a much tougher proposition then Evander. And the Haters think Lewis wasn't being ducked and simply didn't have the desire to fight the best in the 90's.atsch


And Holyfield has clearly stated in an interview which is on you tube that he had no interest in fighting Lewis back then. Yet that somehow makes the haters believe Lewis is to blame for the fight not happening. :-(

 

Unlike Tyson, who just got knocked terribly one-sided around the ring for 10 rounds by a "journeyman" (just applying your standard), without avenging that loss or showing he could beat that style, like Lewis did in his rematches.

By the way, Dempsey got starched by a 37 year old lightheavyweight. Ali was nearly out against Cooper (a journeyman by your standards), and was lucky the round ended with Dundee cutting his glove to buy time. He also lost to a horrible fighter named Leon Spinks. Yeah he was 35 years old, but Lewis was 35 against Rahman too. Holmes was down BADLY against Snipes (a non-puncher with 14 fights) and Shavers (a journeyman by your standards). He was in just as bad a condition as Lewis was vs McCall, but he was given a chance to continue.
Louis was knocked out by Schmeling and Frazier nearly stopped by Bonavena. Jack Johnson was knocked out by a supermiddleweight. Holyfield was nearly stopped against Cooper and lost to a glass chinned journeyman (your standards) in Moorer.

You get the point. Lewis suffered two ugly losses, but always fought the best and took punches from huge punchers like Briggs, Tua, Klitschko, Bruno, Morrison, Klitschko, Mercer, Tucker, Tyson (still dangerous early on, see the Golota & Savarese fights), Mason, Ruddock and others. In fact, Lewis has fought more hard punchers than any great heavyweight outside of Ali and Louis, who have about the same number but smaller guys.


You say that the 90's were incredibly deep. Well guess what, Tyson never dominated the 90's. He dominated the late 80's. In the 90's, Lewis did most of the work and was avoided by old George Foreman, Riddick Bowe, and Mike Tyson; the latter two dropped their belts to not have to fight him.

You say "Lewis was a strapping 6ft 5 and 240lbs he fought like a man half his size" and this is no more than putting the picture of Lewis that you have shaped in your own mind into words. If you watch his fights with for instance Ruddock, Golota, Grant, Akinwande, Klitschko and Mercer then you will see he went toe to toe with all of them.

But of course, you think he fought everyone the way he fought Tua, because that conforms to the general picture you have of him. And what was wrong with the way he fought Tua, anyway? He completely shut him out without losing a single round; no one every did that to Tua before or after. He used his boxing skill, footwork and size to neutralise everything Tua has. Boxing is the art of hitting and not getting hit, not "slugging it out". Good work for critizing him for being a smart fighter, though.



Like the 90's, Lewis' resume is incredibly deep and to sum his career up by mentioning his two losses gives a bit of a one-sided look a things, wouldn't you say?