Lennox lewis haters: DO you give his resume credit?

The Jury Rests.atsch

 

is there any, or has there ever been a dam british fighter you have supported or attempted to say was good, never heard you give a british fighter his due, your meant to be british stop being so dam negative man

 

Shut up you twat. Im a realist first. LL was not loved and for the right reasons. He was about as British as a panini. Even when he was mooted to fight Kirk Johnson he billed it as the battle for Canadian bragging rights. British my ass. He only fought here in his early career because the US ranks were so deep and he would have been just another heavyweight. He was an oppotunist and a classic right time right place guy.

 

i am seriously interested, lewis aside, have you ever given an english fighter credit?

 

no answer comes

 

No, they are not "facts" - they are conjecture, based largely on Lewis camp propaganda of the period. I followed boxing very closely at the time - indeed, I followed the careers of all four of these boxers from begining to end. And it was largely Lewis's lack of MARKETABILITY that prevented these fights from occuring. In the early 1990s, Riddick Bowe could make more money fighting U.S. based Olympians like Holyfield and Ray Mercer (who he was scheduled to fight until Ferguson beat him). Undoubtedly, they were hoping to build up to Lewis-Bowe fight, if Lewis could beat a few fighters and be perceived by the U.S. public as more legitimate challenger, but Holyfield won the rematch. And, in fact, a Lewis-Bowe fight WAS in the works for early '95, but Lewis went and got himself knocked out by McCall.

As far as Tyson, Lewis accepted step-aside money. It takes TWO to tango. Lewis could have taken the route Sam Peter took recently, but he took the cash instead. Maybe he was worried about that shaky chin getting cracked by a Tyson bomb in '96, eh?

And, as far as Holyfield, he surely was not going to take on Lewis for less money than he could make fighting Bowe and Moorer in the early 90s. In early '96 Holyfield was considered washed up before he beat Tyson, a fight with Lewis would have been worth nothing. After he beat Tyson, the only fight people wanted to see was the rematch. A fight with Lewis didn't become a major fight until 97, and Holyfield wanted to settle the score with Moorer first.

Lewis and his camp did a good job of propagandizing, but the FACTS are that he DIDN'T face Holyfield and Tyson until they were past their best, and he DIDN'T face Bowe at all. Those are the FACTS. All these allegation about "ducking" are nothing more than Lewis camp propaganda to try to excuse this.:yep

 

I am from UK and frankly there are so many things in Lewis's career that for me detract from his ATG staus that so many bestow on him.

1) No rematch with Vitali Klitschko. Vitali was winning prior to the stoppage and although Lewis may have been in the ascendancy in the fight, the fact was this was probably mostly due to the eye injury. If the cut was not there he would have beat Lewis imo.

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2) Two of the victories alot of the people point to when talking of his legacy were against great fighters who were well past their primes.

Tyson was 2 fights away from being destroyed by Danny Williams, he had already been comprehensively beaten by Holyfield over 5 years earlier when frankly he was already past his prime anyway.

Holyfield was also past his best and regardless of why they never met earlier, the fact remains when they did meet Holyfield was on his way out and still was able to make each fight competitive. for me this suggests that Holyfield would have certainly won had they fought prime for prime.

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3) Lewis never fought Riddick Bowe (yes I think he would have probably won), to be honest if I were him I would have done whatever to make that fight anytime prior to Bowe's fights with Golota and told my promoter to do this.

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4) If Lewis was an ATG he should have dominated Ray Mercer and instead barely came through. With all the physical advantages he had this should have been an easier win.

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5) The fact that he lost to McCall & Rahman by big KO's is very damaging for me to his legacy as an ATG. There was no excuse for these losses and although he avenged the Rahman loss convincingly. The McCall loss was never properly avenged as McCall was not mentally right for the fight and it was a hollow victory.

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The ONLY reason Lennox never fought Riddick Bowe was because Bowe knew if he got in the ring with Lennox he was gonna get knocked out
Tyson and Holyfield both ducked Lennox as long as they could.Don King even offered and paid Lennox $4 mil to step aside and let Tyson fight Holyfield, who he considered an easier fight. To say Holyfield beat him is LUDICROUS, Lennox had the beating of Holyfield Tyson and Bowe from day one.
Lennox ducked no one his only failing was coming into fights with McCall & Rahman out of shape and unfocussed. That cost him. If he'd come in prepared he'd have retired unbeaten. As it is he retired having beaten every man that got in the ring with him. That makes him the best heavyweight champion since Ali

 

This is complete and utter B.S.
I was with Lennox and a young girl dressed in a yellow chicken suit with Chicken Bowe on it harassed Bowe several times trying to embarass him into signing a fight. Cowardly Bowe just left well crept away actually.
He knew if ever he got in the ring with Lennox he'd get his fat butt knocked out AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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Puh-leez. Lewis isn't even the best HW of his own era, let alone since Ali! atsch You Lewis fans like to spin like tops to excuse the fact that he is the ONLY one of these guys who was taken out early by second-rate contenders when he held the title and why he didn't face ANY of the other guys when they were even near the top of their game.

I have never seen an ATG for whom more excuses have to made to justify the absurd overrating of him that goes on - excuses taken straight out of Lewis camp propaganda of the time.

 

I see. Now I get it. You're a Lewis camp member spinning the same tired ol' excuses and propaganda you were throwing around back in the 90s. You can fool some of these kids who didn't follow these guys careers from start to finish, but not those of us who were avid HW boxing fans. Holyfield was the best of the era - and, like the fellow said above, the fact that the fights they had were close shows that Holyfield would have won going away if he wasn't an old man when Lewis finally got around to facing him.:yep

 

Lennox Lewis was born in London England which makes him a British subject. Not only a Brit but a cockney to boot.
His Mom took him to Canada when he was 12 but he always remained a British subject

 

Were you involved in boxing at that time??? I was. Lennox was with CusD'Mato as a kid in catslkill and sparred with tyson regularly. He always handled him with no problems.
Every obstacle possible was placed in front of Lennox by the US boxing authorities but it still didnt stop him becoming the greatest champion since Ali

 

Oh my, now you've added a NEW wrinkle to the litany of excuses I've seen for the deficiencies in Lewis's career - a CONSPIRACY by "U.S. boxing authorities."atsch Man, I thought I'd seen just about all the absurd excuses you guys thrown around.:nut This one is almost as funny as those who say that Lewis got starched by Rahman because he fought at too high an altitude instead of his already-proven shaky chin!!! :rofl :rofl

 

If the circumstances were reversed and it had been Lewis that renaged on fighting Bowe that he would have been allowed to get away with it ? NO!!!!!
I confronted Rock Newman and asked him point blank WHY Bowe wouldn't fight Lewis. His answer was " When the public will pay to see him fight Dokes and Ferguson why risk fighting Lewis" I suggested that he did it because he didnt think Bowe could beat Lewis. He just mumbled and walked off