Lennox Lewis is great but

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  1. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Seems like every time I say anything critical of Lennox folks meet it with denial and tired sayings they've picked up from others. The thing is despite having started a few hissy fits over Lewis I don't see any of this as controversial. Just matter-of-fact. So, I assume there's a bit of lost history going on. regardless of if you think any of this is a big deal or not, it all happened and you shouldn't argue when folks say it happened.



    The first criticism is simply his timing. While the men who would remain his peers turned pro Lennox continued in the amateurs until after both rivals had become champions.

    Despite performing under the Canadian banner as an amateur Lewis turn pro in the UK to build his career in the European circuit rather than the North American circuit

    Did not win his first title but was elevated to it after the fact

    Loses to McCall in a cherrypick gone wrong

    Narrowly beats Mercer in a result booed by fans he has later admitted he too believes he lost.

    Accepts stepaside money to grow the Tyson fight

    Avoids Foreman, cherrypicks Golota

    Gets a draw with Holyfield, an 80s champion, in 1999.

    Never defends undisputed because he's cherrypicking Grant instead

    WBA court docs prove Lennox Lewis invented the WBA Super.

    Fights Mike Tyson, champion in the 80s, in 2002

    Refuses Chris Byrd

    Retires on Chris Byrd's best win Vitali Klitscko

    Lennox campaigns in the WBA to make his super title a staple in the WBA





    Just saying, things like he ducked byrd or took step aside money or ducked Ruiz, shouldn't be a controversy or answered with denial. If it doesn't change your stance that's cool, but homie did some politicking, some businessing, and little in way of legacy other than promotional campaigning.
     
  2. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Well-Known Member Full Member

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  4. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    Did not win his first title but was elevated to it after the fact hardly his fault, Bowe dumped the belt

    Loses to McCall in a cherrypick gone wrong Yes but he did avenge it

    Narrowly beats Mercer in a result booed by fans he has later admitted he too believes he lost. Mercer also gave Holyfield a hard fight and knocked out Morrison, hardly a bum

    Avoids Foreman, cherrypicks Golota Golota just beat up Bowe twice and was in his prime, I don't think I would call this a cherry pick

    Gets a draw with Holyfield, an 80s champion, in 1999. That draw is highly disputed.

    Never defends undisputed because he's cherrypicking Grant instead Grant was undefeated and hyped before the bout


    Fights Mike Tyson, champion in the 80s, in 2002 It was a massive payday, who could fault him for taking the fight. Even Vitali Klitschko tried making a Tyson fight

    Refuses Chris Byrd Nobody at the time thought Byrd was a serious threat

    I'm not saying Lennox is immune to criticism. I just do not agree with all of your points.
     
  5. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Lewis didn’t avoid foreman. Foreman ( for as much as I praise him ) was the one picking and choosing fights. And I don’t know how Golata was a cherry picked given that he had just thrashed Riddick Bowe from pillar to post twice. He took step aside money from Tyson so that the Holyfield fight could happen. Had he not, the fight would have happened anyway and Lewis would have gotten nothing except maybe a discarded alphabet title ( something he was used to. ). About the only thing I agree with is that at some point he probably should have fought Chris Byrd.
     
  6. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm alternatively glad and sad to see another one of the sport's giants taken to the whipping post here. I'm not singling out the original poster. It happens in every sport.
     
  7. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Bowe was in his prime lol you can't be serious
     
  8. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    No you misread my post. He beats Bowe twice and (Golota) was in his prime
     
  9. Warmaster

    Warmaster New Member Full Member

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    I love Foreman but no way was wanted any part of Lewis. All wrong for him and LL would have handily outpointed him in a probably dull, routine type fight.
     
  10. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Peak for peak would have been a great fight. Against Old George it would have looked like Holyfield-Holmes and Holyfield-Foreman.
     
  11. JackSilver

    JackSilver Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Could be but what was right about Lewis for Foreman was even at his best he could be one-shotted into defeat as shown by McCall an Rahman an old Foreman could throw big one shots as well as anyone
     
  12. JackSilver

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    Holyfield had a better chin than Lewis. Not sure Lewis could’ve taken all the clean shots that Old Foreman landed on Holyfield
     
  13. Warmaster

    Warmaster New Member Full Member

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    Lewis being KO'd by McCall happened when he was still raw but the Rahman KO loss is a legitimate criticism against Lewis. He got complacent and paid the price.

    However, I very much doubt he would have been complacent against Foreman and instead would have outboxed him from a distance. (Morrison managed it after all).
     
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  14. Dynamicpuncher

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    Suggesting Lewis avoided Foreman is wild when Foreman never fought a single top 10 opponent after the Moorer win.
     
  15. Fergy

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    So what tho that he fought for Canada in the Olympics.?
    People who don't like Lewis always throw that at him.
    He made his decision to base himself in the country of his birth.
    What difference does it make to his actual pro career?

    To me it just seems sour grapes, that an English guy came along and beat the top Americans.
    Let's face it, the US has never recovered with its heavyweight s since.
    A wee bit of the old green jealously perhaps...
     
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