Lennox Lewis is overrated

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  1. Sonny's jab

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    :lol:

    They really thought they'd get away with that ! :lol:

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  2. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Very good post. Lewis critics like myself are not arguing that Lewis is NOT great - that would be absurd, frankly. All we are saying is that he is nowhere near as great as the chorus of nuthuggers likes to make out, and that it is plain and simple overrating to say he was the best of an era in which Evander Holyfield and Mike Tyson were fighting.

    Lewis was great, yes - but getting laid out by B level fighters means he cannot be reasonably ranked above greats like Holyfield, who competed against much larger men, won the title multiple times, and was never, ever, starched by second raters in the early rounds.
     
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  3. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Certainly. Just not as great as the Lewis fanclub likes to make out. And not greater than Evander Holyfield, who actually beat two of the other top guys of the era (Tyson and Bowe) when they were formitable opponents, and never got KTFO early by B-levels fighters. :nod
     
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  4. Doppleganger

    Doppleganger Southside Slugger Full Member

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    But Lewis beat both Holyfield and Tyson. How many times did either beat Lewis?

    Holyfield was 6ft 2 and between 210 and 220lbs when fighting at HW. Who are these "much larger men" you speak of? Lewis himself weighed about 30 pounds more in their fights. Larger yes, but much larger? Moreover, Holyfield only won the HW title multiple times because he was unable to defend it for a consistent period of time. Finally, Holyfield may not have been starched early (although he nearly was against Cooper) but he's been floored more times than Lewis and stopped more times than Lewis.
     
    Doppleganger, Jun 18, 2007
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  5. Sonny's jab

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    Holyfield has only been stopped TWICE, same as Lewis.
     
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  6. Denny Cruser

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    To further develop the stupidnes we can say - Lewis never was outboxed by B-level fighter (at heavyweight) as Moorer.
     
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  7. Zakman

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    OF COURSE he beat them. Holyfield was 37 years old and already on the decline; Tyson as completly washed up. Had he faced them when they were even near their primes, the result would have been much different

    I suppose you give tons of credit to Rocky Marciano for beating up the 37 year old shell of Joe Louis too?? Holmes one-sided victory over Ali was another awesome legacy performance also, right?:lol:
     
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  8. Denny Cruser

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    moreover the Bowe punch (3d bout) was nearly equal to that of McCall with equal results, but not equal referee decisions.
     
    Denny Cruser, Jun 18, 2007
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  9. Zakman

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    Moorer wasn't B level - he was one of the better HWs of the era. And he hardly "outboxed" Holyfield. :-( He won a very disputed decision - one that many people feel Evander should have gotten. That does even compare to getting laid out cold by mediocrities like McCall or Rahman.
     
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  10. Lance_Uppercut

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    Zak...you DO realize Moorer's chin don't ya? I mean, if ANYONE should, it's you.:D
     
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  11. C.J.Rock

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    You folks ***** about Lewis only beating a shell of Tyson But you forget Lennox is actually OLDER than Mike. Plus before the Lewis-Tyson fight the majority of you claimed Tyson would win by KO
    In their primes Lennox would STILL have owned both
    :bbb :hi: :bbb :hi: :bbb :hi:
     
    C.J.Rock, Jun 18, 2007
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  12. Drexl

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    ....based on...... what exactly??

    What did he do that makes him soooo much better as a HW than McCall or Rahman?
     
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  13. Fighting Weight

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    No, it's far, far worse :yep

    Getting floored by a Toney body shot and damn near having his head taken off by Ruiz and Bert Cooper also don't look too good, but they don't count, right?
     
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  14. Fighting Weight

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    He beat Evander, of course :patsch
     
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  15. Drexl

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    :lol:

    Exactly. Now we're getting to the real issue. The double standards are so transparent that it's bordering on pathetic.

    The people Lewis lost to are proof that he is garbage.
    The people Holy lost to are great because they beat Holy.

    The people that Lewis beat were nothing because Lewis beat them.
    The people that Holyfield beat are proof that he is awesome.

    :roll:
     
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