I'm not saying that his accomplishments in the amateurs make him better, what I'm saying is that his superior skills make him better. And this observation is consistent with the dominant understandings both at the time, and subsequently. If you look at the ratings for the era by most observers, Mercer is rated among the top 10 routinely. McCall and Rahman?? Nope.
Beating every man that he ever faced in the ring doesn't mean much when you consider that he never fought the best guys in his era during their prime. The best guys in Lewis' era were Tyson, Holyfield, Foreman, Moorer, and Bowe. Lewis didn't fight a single one of them in their prime. He only fought two of them all together, and both of them were past it by the time that he did. Then, you look at a guy like Holyfield who didn't beat every man that he ever faced. Yet, he alway fought the best and he fought everyone person that I just mentioned as well. Had Lewis fought Bowe three times, Moorer twice, Tyson twice, Holmes, Foreman, Byrd, Ruiz three times, and so forth, then we maybe saying that he beat every man that he ever faced. Also beating McCall after he came out of crack rehab doesn't reall stand for much does it? Getting a victory over a man via uncontrolled crying in the ring? Not really something to build a legacy around. I don't define Lewis by his two brutal knockout losses, but it is hard to define him by his wins.
I don't think that they all beat Lewis. Time, evolution and size are on his side. However, you can't rate all time status on head to head match-ups. You have to rate all time status on accomplishments within their own era.
Lewis would have had no need to fight Bowe three times, Moorer twice, or Ruiz 3 times. Ruiz and Moorer would've been KTFO so brutally there would be no call for a rematch, and Bowe was afraid to fight Lewis even once And shame on you for wishing that Lewis had fought the 40+ incarnation of Foreman. Why would you want to see old George beat up that bad? :-(
Yeah, especially when you don't mention any of them atsch Bowe was terrified of Lewis, that much is true. People keep saying that Lewis only fought old Holyfield but the real reason for that was every time Evander won the title he'd lose the ****ing thing again Lewis never fought the best version of Tyson no, but neither did Evander. Moorer??? A blown up light heavy and never seen as serious competition for Lewis, same goes for Ruiz. As for Foreman and Holmes, no way did either of those two want to face a man that hit like Lewis when they were 40+ years old.
Maybe. But I think he was asked to provide a list of fighters that were "better". As in the better man won.
About as much as beating Douglas and Bowe when they'd spent their entire training camp in Burger King.
I wanted to see how you responded to my Post on Page 12, but after reading the other posts it doesn't matter anymore cause your "Lewis was overrated" arguement has been completely destroyed 10 times over. You go Zakman..:good
There can be a million reasons for everything. I am not going to play the blame game or try to rewrite history. The truth is though that Lewis didn't beat the best guys in the division and he was also beat by less than stellar opposition. I don't see the reason for ranking a guy that high based on "shoulda's, woulda's and coulda's" when there are plenty of fighters throughout history who decided to actually go out there and prove it by fighting the best guys. Not leaving it up to the imagination of what would have happened had he done so. Had Lewis never fought McCall and Rahman I am sure that you would now say that he would have destroyed them both without trouble the first time that they fought, no need for a rematch right? This is why they actually get into the ring and fight rather than just let the fans watch clips of each man and vote on who would've won. If there is no reason for him to fight Moorer, Holmes, or Foreman, what is the reason for fighting Botha, Fortune, Macrovic and so forth? I would much rather have seen him fight his Champion peers than tyhe likes of those guys. Finally as Lewis was considered to be on top of the division and at the top of his technical game he came across a man in Vitali Klitschko who he could really make his stand for his career. The fans were foaming at the mouth to see a rematch between these two and it was all right there for Lewis to get the respect that he claims that he was never given. He retired instead. It just doesn't seem to me that he ever really put himself through the real tests to prove himself.
Rahman has been the WBC Champ in the last couple of years. McCall has JUST won a fight to give him a shot at the title. No doubt that they are nowhere near the fighters they were in their younger days - but both are considered Top 10 fighters NOW. So that argument just doesn't hold water. "Um they were **** back then, but now they're worse, but have held the belt and are in line for another shot at 42 years of age". Doesn't work. Moorer is know for what? Beating Holy and losing to a 40+ yr old. Big George has said, flat out in no uncertain terms, there was nothing on earth that would have got him in the ring with Lewis. He thinks Lewis would have destroyed him. ONe of the things that really pisses me off about Holy fans is saying that he fought the better fighters. When those guys reps are based on what. BEATING HOLY AND NOTHING ELSE!! Bowe beat who apart from Holy? Moorer beat who apart from Holy? That's circular logic for you right there buddy.
could you imagine if lewis had a triliogy with Ruiz and couldn't win? Zakky would bring that up in every post. :tired