Lennox Lewis is overrated

...and got sat on his arse by him.....

 

Bottom line is the proof is in the pudding and i think any jury would give the nod to Lewis over Holy and it's not even that close really.I have read most of these posts and Lewis is clearly better.

 

So that means you have Holyfield below Lewis then, and don't subscribe to the 'coulda, shoulda, woulda' bull**** that his fans use about him being over the hill when he finally fought Lewis?

I really don't see where you're coming from with this Moorer, Foreman, Bowe and Ruiz bull****, seriously. Well actually I do, but that's what makes it all the more ridiculous, seeing as Holyfield lost to all of them except Foreman

 

Yes but how old was Holyfield in those 3 fights? He was 'past his prime' when he fought Lewis apparently so he must have been a skeleton against Ruiz.

Zakman reminds me of that barber in 'Coming to America' that's always going on about Joe Louis - if anyone can dig up a clip on youtube or something you'll see what I mean. Different fighter, same kind of nuthugger :yep

 

He also beat all of them. I don't rate Holyfield too high either. His record at heavyweight isn't too great. Although his resume at heavyweight is amazing. That era really lacked a dominant fighter who would actually fight all of the other top guys and win on a consistent basis. I was using him as an example of someone in that era who actually fought all of the best fighters. Holyfield was busy making big fights happen, while Lewis was busy not making big fights happen. I don't buy into that nobody would fight him routine. You make sacrifices and fights can be made.

 

:huh

 

Yes?

His record against his opposition was not great. His opposition was great.

 

In other words, yes he lost a good bit against those great guys. However he did also come away with two wins over Mike Tyson, a win over Bowe, win over Moorer, win over Foreman, win over Holmes and so forth. I think that you get the point. Before you knock the Holmes fight too harshly remember that Holyfield fought Larry after Larry just beat an undefeated Ray Mercer.

 

Well what happened when he lost to Rahman? Rahman immediately signed with King and Lewis had to go to court to get a shot at his own ****ing title.....that's the way it was back then. No way did Don King want a guy like Lewis having all the belts because he knew Lewis wouldn't sign for him. You say Holyfield made all the big fights but apart from the Bowe trilogy the only big fights he had were with Tyson as far as I remember - and those fights were only big because of Tyson not Holyfield, who was supposed to lose (which is the only reason Tyson signed to fight him instead of Lewis, Holyfield was considered the easy route, and rightfully so :deal )

That leaves us with Chicken Bowe, Moorer (who achieved nothing at heavyweight apart from beating Holyfield) and Ruiz. Do you need to be reminded of the guys Lewis was putting away while all this was happening?

I mean you give respect to Holyfield for struggling like **** with Ruiz 3 times (in 3 of the most boring fights ever seen, incidentally) yet don't mention Lewis putting on a clinic against the guy that KO'd Ruiz inside of a minute :huh Ruiz is the classic example of a guy that got lucky, he became champion due to politics and nothing else due to Kings corruption and desperation to hang onto at least 1 version of the belt after Lewis had owned his golden goose.

 

Holy lost to Ruiz though who you call a fraud and was even knocked down by Ruiz.:yep

 

No I don't get the point, actually. Holmes fought a reasonably close fight with Holyfield at something like 42 years of age and you think that's something to crow about?

Look what happened when Holmes fought Tyson - that's impressive, and Holmes was 4 years younger back then. Fact is Holyfield was too damn inconsistent at HW to be considered as better than Lewis.

 

It's useless to explain things, Zack will spin things until he sees what he wants to.He suffers from a severe case of tunnell vision :verysad

 

I really don't see how anyone, anyone can rate Old Holmes and Old Foreman over young, viable contenders.

Lewis after getting KO'd by McCall actually had to fight all of the prospects, and guys considered high risk/low return fighters. He was essentially frozen out, and had to fight his way back in.

Holyfield took on a who's who of AMERICAN fighters.

No Ruddock. No Tua. No Morrison. No Golota.

Those guys aren't ATG fighters - but they were the best contenders of the era. Holy just fought other US based fighters who made their reps on fighting each other (with the exception of Tyson, who was a smoke and mirrors fighter after prison), and guys over 40.

Oh, and having mysterious heart problem, shoulder problems etc.

I don't mind being harsh on fighters. But Holy gets a free pass here for EVERYTHING - even losing trilogies - whereas Lewis gets canned for getting KO'd twice.

I'm a Lewis fan, and I agree wholeheartedly that they are a black mark against him. But apparently everything Holy has done is golden?

 

Ah right, so that makes Jerry Quarry, George Chuvalo, Earnie Shavers and Ross Purrity better than Lewis too then.

Nice logic.