Lennox Lewis is overrated

No Rahman and McCall?

 

Yep but wait for Zakman to start his spin cycle on that one....:nut

 

Let's see your top 15 McGrain.

 

No bites on the fact that diving in a fight is more acceptable than being KO'd?

 

Interesting list, but a solid one that a case can be made for, except for the Lewis high rating that is.:yep

I've never seen Johnson so high, but I remember when you first joined that we got into the debate of Louis/Johnson and that I said Louis would own over Johnson... which is completely predictable coming from me.

 

In my opinion Holyfield was never consistent enough to be held above Lewis. He never defended his title more than 3 times. Lewis gets a lot of crap for his losses to Rahman and McCall, but Holyfield also lost his titles to a pair of opponents who never did anything noteworthy at heavyweight aside from beating Holyfield, with Bowe and Moorer.

Indeed, Holyfield's resume outside of the Tyson fights is not very impressive. He never successfully defended a title more than 3 times.

He won the belts from Buster Douglas, who alongside Hasim Rahman is probably the worst undisputed heavyweight champ of all time. His first 3 defenses were against a pair of men well into their 40's and a glass jawed gatekeeper type. He lost then lost badly to Bowe, who again never did anything remarkable at heavyweight aside from beating Holyfield. He beat Bowe in a rematch and immediately lost to Michael Moorer, a talented former light heavyweight but who at heavyweight has proven repeatedly that he has a glass jaw.

His best moments came against Tyson, of course, who he decisively beat twice. For the record I would pick Holyfield to beat Tyson at any point in their careers based on style matchups, I don't think Tyson has the mental toughness or discipline to beat Holyfield. He avenged his loss against Moorer, had a ho hum gimme against Vaughn Bean and then lost to Lewis in the famous "draw", then lost to Lewis again which for all intents and purposes was his last gasp.

Holyfield never cleaned out or dominated the division. His career at heavyweight was far too up and down and inconsistent for me to put him above Lewis. You can talk about Lewis's losses but at no point in his career would Lewis ever lose to Moorer or Ruiz even well past his prime, neither of them would last 6 rounds with him. At no point in his career was Lewis ever completely dominated the way Holyfield was in the first Bowe fight. The pendulum swings both ways, and Lewis had greater consistency than Holyfield

Also, for some reason Holyfield backers always bring up the Bowe fights like they're a positive for Holyfield. I don't see why. Bowe never did anything impressive in his whole career outside of beating Holyfield. The only other legitimate top tier boxer Bowe ever went against was Golota who pummeled him twice. Bowe dominated the trilogy overall, his two wins were emphatic including one by stoppage, while Holyfield's win was sandwiched between losses and very narrow not, and arguably affected by the fan man incident. Not coincidentally, Bowe was out of shape and in the worst physical condition of any of the trilogy fights in the one Holyfield won

 

Marciano is too low on that list too, otherwise not a bad effort :good

 

Shotgun, I won't quote your post, but I agree entirely.

I think it's also fair to say that Tyson was VASTLY over rated post prison.

Have a look at his actual record post prison before the Holy fight, and it's pathetic really. Bruno the only name, and he was so petrified before the fight (based on facing a decent Tyson), that Mike could have had mattresses on his hands that night, and still beaten Bruno.

 

Respect to that, good post.

Although I do feel that Bowe if he'd had more discipline would have been a pretty dominant champ. All that money he earnt from the Holy fights bought a lot of burgers and KFC's though unfortunately.

 

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Everyone has fighters they generally dislike....

Definitley no exception with me.