Lennox Lewis or Evander Holyfield who is greater at HW

Evander Holyfield. By a bit for my money.

 

Lewis but it's close

 

Hi Buddy.
Unfortuntely didnt catch the McCall quote, as for Lewis being overcautios, sort of get your drift , for me his style and approach ( most of the time ) was more along the battle plan and not devating from that, so a meausred and scientific fighter, shown in the Tua fight, he might have been able to trade with Tua and still come out on top, as he did with Mercer, but why ? he was intelligent and disaplined enough to stick to the mapped out plan, as Barrf comemted why trade with Tyson, when you have the tools not too.
Also as to the tag " Dog " when refering to a boxer, for me it conjours up a boxer that quits when the fight isnt going his way, I am sure your inference was not meant in that context, alough the written word comes across as such, as to being a warrior the same as Evander not many achieve that moniker.
Enjoy your posts always buddy, chat again soon. stay safe.

 

Holy, but Lewis isn't far from his level. Close call.

 

The thread is about who's greater at HW, not who's better.
Lewis is greater.

 

Perhaps if Evander retired after the 2nd Tyson fight (Moorer rematch works as well) would have placed Holy above for me, but that later portion of his career really hurt his case. Lennox.

 

Huh? I was not defending Wilder or the choice of those he fought. I said Holyfield would have trouble (& would lose to) some of the best bigger men. I agree on Wilder's competition, but it does not change that Holyfield relied on artificial size & strength through the use of illegal drugs.
I think the quality of his wins was similar to Lewis, but again it is irrelevant to my point.

But you are the only person I ever heard who admits (like anyone rational on the subject really) that Holyfield did not use PEDs during his prime.
Why do you believe that? He was prime after he lost to Bowe for the first time, when he was only 205 lbs.
Then he fought Bowe at a still very lean 217 lbs.-without a lot of muscle below the waist, all upper body.

He most certainly must have used then, which a little later than his prime caused the baldness & heart problems.
You cannot think he was best before he got bigger, or that he did not use PEDs to reach that size & strength & be competitive, am I wrong about either point concerning his cheating?

You realize that most ill effects of steroids & HGH overwhelmingly come well after it is used for a while, not during a typical "prime"?

What exactly are the times you believe he used PEDs-& based upon what evidence?

 

And Rocky Marciano.

 

Holyfield was 30 yrs old when he first lost to Bowe. Already been through too many wars..****ed up and took punishment from Foreman..his prime was over. Bowe should have KO'd him.

Yes, you are wrong. Holyfield that KO'd Douglas KO's Bowe too. And Fury.

 

Slash you did not address most of what I wrote.
And what you claimed I was wrong about I did not even express an opinion on. Whether the Holyfield who beat Douglas beats or KO's Bowe.
Why did you do this? Why only contest when was Holyfield's prime, when my note *already* asked why you Wilder was being attacked when I had said nothing about him or who he defeated.
My point was about Holyfield needing PEDs to be at his best & beat the Big Boys.
Although he won only one-barely, with the accidental help of Fan Man-of the best SHWs he fought 5 times, Boew & Lewis.

I even ended asking when you thought he used PEDs, & what is the evidence?

To address the single, more minor point you cherry-picked-it is opinion when Evander was best.
Mine is the usual, that in *absolute* terms, against all comers, when he bulked up-in part with drugs- he was better suited to beat those who naturally were bigger & stronger than him.
In relative terms, he was best in the CW division-when the limit was only 190 lbs.

I am gonna paste what I wrote again in case you finally want to address it:


Huh? I was not defending Wilder or the choice of those he fought. I said Holyfield would have trouble (& would lose to) some of the best bigger men. I agree on Wilder's competition, but it does not change that Holyfield relied on artificial size & strength through the use of illegal drugs.
I think the quality of his wins was similar to Lewis, but again it is irrelevant to my point.

But you are the only person I ever heard who admits (like anyone rational on the subject really) that Holyfield did not use PEDs during his prime.
Why do you believe that? He was prime after he lost to Bowe for the first time, when he was only 205 lbs.
Then he fought Bowe at a still very lean 217 lbs.-without a lot of muscle below the waist, all upper body.

He most certainly must have used then, which a little later than his prime caused the baldness & heart problems.
You cannot think he was best before he got bigger, or that he did not use PEDs to reach that size & strength & be competitive, am I wrong about either point concerning his cheating?

You realize that most ill effects of steroids & HGH overwhelmingly come well after it is used for a while, not during a typical "prime"?

What exactly are the times you believe he used PEDs-& based upon what evidence?

 

Lewis was better. I would only favor 1 or 2 fighters in history to beat Lewis and I'd pick 5 to 10 to beat heavyweight Holy.

 

Really? All that? You said Holyfield was in his prime when he lost to Bowe. You were wrong.

Remember when Holyfield took a bit of criticism vs Stewart (before he was the champion)? But that guy KO's Bowe. And Fury. And Tyson. He wasn't near 30 yet! Holyfield looks like Clay, but would fight.. old-timers hated talented Clay run around and peck and poke style. Here's the guy with the Clay skills that actually fought. That's exactly what they wanted to see.

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I'm probably in the minority on this one, but it's Evander Holyfield for me. Evander's my solid #3 all time Heavyweight, right behind Muhammad Ali and Joe Louis. Lennox is high on my list, too, but below Evander.

 

Lennox definitely, Holyfield is great but he keeps fighting, and getting his a$$ kicked. If only he didn't have 10 children out of wedlock and 2 divorces. How can a man blow 250 million dollars is beyond me.