Lennox Lewis retirement age

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  1. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    its 100% illogical to argue that all the HW champions in history were wrong to retire by 37.

    But please do try and prove they are all wrong. You'd be the first to try - everyone else invited to do so has run away from the challenge.
     
  2. kirk

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    Well... before the Vitali fight he was going around talking about how hes aging like fine wine, how he wants to snatch the S from Roys chest (roy jones), trying desperately to get Tyson back in the ring, ect, ect.

    He then fights Vitali, and decides to retire.

    So idk.
     
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  3. Brighton bomber

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    People love throwing that to somehow make it seem like Lewis was still prime. What was Lewis going to say, yeah I'm old now, not as good as I was before, ready to be taken?

    Fighters say what people want to hear and try and play mind games with opponents. It was Sun Tzu who said "Appear weak when you are strong and strong when you are weak" It was simply false bravado from Lewis to say he was aging like a fine wine, all wine turns to vinegar eventually no matter how fine it once was. Which is why Lewis was looking for an easy payday vs a shot Tyson.

     
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  4. HerolGee

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    becaue he was trying to sell the fight, who wouldnt.

    you are just misinterpreting it on this single occasion that its happening, and not on any of the other thousands of occasions, simply because best ever vitali lost bad to worst ever lewis.

    if it had been tyson or bruno in there, you and your gang would have not made a peep over the last 14 years.
     
  5. kirk

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    You seem pretty unhinged here. Me and my gang? lmao. Wtf are you talking about.... I dont really care about this subject, in fact this is probably only one of a handful of posts Ive ever even made on this fight (I dont have a single post in the entire 6 years of the tko 6 thread) so.... I am not quite sure wtf you are talking about 'me and my gang' :lol: As if this has been some sort of crusade of mine lol.

    I am simply calling it as it was at the time. He was angling for a roy jones fight and a mike tyson rematch while continuing to want to dominate the division. Thats simply a fact and had nothing to do with a vitali fight.

    If you want to say he said that specefic statement to sell fights, fine. But that has nothing to do with the fact he was maneuvering to continue fighting until he fought Vitali.

    If you dont think had Kirk Johnson showed up instead of Vitali, that LL wouldnt have kept fighting after he easily dispatched Kirk, and that Vitali had nothing to do with LL retiring, then I dont know what to tell you.

    This subject clearly makes you a bit sensitive for some reason. It is what it is. LL was an old champion who a younger Vitali made realize it was time to retire. I dont see the big deal.
     
  6. kirk

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    Again, his actions outside the ring speak louder than his words. He was angling for fights with Roy Jones and Mike Tyson and would have no doubt continued fighting had he dispatched Kirk Johnson that night instead of getting roughed up by Vitali. So, yes, Vitali had something to do with him retiring and he would have likely retired later had that fight not occurred. Which is what this thread was asking.
     
  7. HerolGee

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    could you quote the exact words where I sound unhinged, or is that only being said because vitali lost.


    no, for me there is no difference in lewis tko6ing either johnson or vitali by easy stoppage,it makes no difference to him being of retirable age. the difference appears to be in your perception

    as I've said, let me know where this is the case, rather than you simply parroting something without backing it up, because that just makes you seem like your is back is up.
     
  8. kirk

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    Sure. Saying I am singling out only this case and not thousands of other cases, as if you somehow know what I do or dont post on or the fighters that I do or do not 'hold accountable' so to speak for what they say pre fight. And saying that I am only doing so on this occasion because 'best ever vitali lost bad to worst ever lewis'. As if I care about that. And then saying me and my gang wouldnt have made a peep in the last 14 years had it been tyson in there. You are acting like I have some anti Lewis, pro Vitali agenda and that this is an agenda I have repeatedly promoted through the years. I dont quite get that.

    Again, if you think Lewis retires after an easy night against Kirk, and doesnt continue on.... theres not much to talk about there. I have little doubt a routine defense against Johnson isnt followed by another fight. But we will have to just agree to disagree. I just dont see how anyone that is removing their emotion from the subject and looking at it without bias doesnt acknowledge that Vitali is the one that showed Lewis its time to retire.

    I pointed out above. You clearly overreacted to my post. You assumed my history, assumed my reason for taking my position, and assumed what I would have done in another scenario based on an assumed hyperbolic agenda you think I have. No biggie, it is what it is.

    Personally I dont blame Lewis for retiring, he was past prime and at the right age. I would have personally like to have seen a rematch, and wish he would have (and I dont know why he didnt... would have been very big money and a chance as an elite competitor to take on your clearest rival in a fight you could come in at your best at, which he clearly wasnt in the first fight.) but that he didnt, I think is a lost chapter for heavyweight boxing, but I dont really blame him. He was 37 and probably knew he couldnt compete at that level anymore. Its natural.
     
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  9. kirk

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    What I will say, is in the future, if I ever post about this topic again in a few years lol, I wont (if I can remember) use the age like fine wine statement. You both are right in that regard, what a fighter says like that probably shouldnt be used as some sort of barometer as to their motives or situation at the time.
     
  10. HerolGee

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    you said "sure", but you didnt quote the words I am supposed to be overreacting in.

    so you cant. time to move on.
     
  11. MAJR

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    I think he'd be retired by 2006 at the latest. He didn't really have the passion anymore and wasn't training properly.
     
  12. kirk

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    Are you being for real right now :lol: I literally explained to you what you said, and why it was overreacting. If you want the exact quote, I will quote your entire post

    Pretty much everything within that quote is an incorrect, baseless, overemotional assumptive response that came out of the blue due to you seeming fairly sensitive on this issue for whatever reason. Not sure how you dont classify that as an overreaction, but... whatever lol.

    Yes, definitely time to move on :lol: Take care.
     
  13. MAJR

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    Vitali beat Kirk Johnson on December 6th 2003 to become WBC Mandatory.

    Lewis announced his retirement on February 6th 2004, relinquishing the belts he held with immediate effect.

    Vitali and Sanders signed to fight for the vacant WBC Title on February 27th 2004.

    Whatever your view on the reason why Lewis decided to retire there can be no doubt that the outcome of Vitali's fight with Sanders had nothing to do with it - he had already retired 21 days before Vitali and Sanders even signed the fight contract.
     
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  14. HerolGee

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    if you are truely making the mistake of singling out lewis retirement over thousands of retirements, then thats fne.

    I apologise however, if you are not in the tko6 klitshcko gang, I didnt mean to label you as such if you truely arent.
     
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  15. Brighton bomber

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    I don't recall Lewis ever saying he wanted RJJ, in fact after RJJ beat Ruiz in 2003 he ruled out the possibility of an RJJ fight. Lewis then 3 months later fought Vitali, how was he angling for a fight when there was only a 3 month window for that fight and after Lewis beat Vitali, RJJ was back at light heavy and barely beating Tarver?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/2812363.stm

    I agree had Lewis beaten Johnson instead of Vitali he would of likely fought once more as he had said prior to Johnson he had a couple fights left in him if not more. Fact is Lewis was really looking for easy fights at that stage of his career, which suggests his hunger had gone. He wanted Tyson to fight on the under card with the fight with Johnson to build a rematch with Tyson. The fact Lewis was looking to fight Johnson and Tyson says he wasn't looking to test himself. Prior to the planned Johnson fight he said he had a couple of fights left in him, likely Johnson then Tyson or Vitali and then that's his 2 fights.

    So in regards to what this thread was asking, no Lewis would of never fought on like Hopkins. He was already talking retirement and was taking fights he thought would be easy wins. Not the sign of a fighter who was still hungry and planning a long career.
     
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