Lennox Lewis: the Clever Con-Artist

Ah yes, they dont count then I suppose?

Of course Holyfield beat Tyson twice only a year and a half previously but you wouldn't want facts to get in the way would you?

 

I said that Lewis let Tyson get away. Lewis had the ability to take that fight if he wanted it bad enough...obviously he didn't. Everyone who followed boxing at the time new that Tyson would fight Holyfield afterward. Nobody even cared about Tyson vs Lewis to be honest. Yet... Tyson was willing to fight Lewis, and offered him a guarantee of 13.5 million to fight. Lewis turned it down, and chose to take step aside money instead. Tyson sure as hell didn't need Lewis, so of course Tyson isn't going to bother bargaining back and forth with Lewis who wasn't even a big fish for him to fry. Yet... Tyson was willing to fight him. Lewis turns it down... Tyson moves on to a unification fight and then the biggest fight that could be made at the time against Holyfield.

Who the hell said that Lewis ducked Tyson? Learn how to read. I said that it is Lewis' fault that fight didn't happen. It is. You don't get too many opportunities to get a fight like that... when you are offered 13.5 mil for it... you should take it if you want it. If Lewis really wanted that fight, really wanted to be at the top, and knew he would win... he would have taken it... won... and been on top of the division setting up mega-fights for himself with rematch against Tyson, fight against Holy rather than Tyson vs Holy...better chance at a fight vs Bowe, ect.... Lewis only had one person to blame for not taking that fight.... himself.

 

Such as?

I presented my side of the argument. I asked Beatle to tell me Tyson's and Holyfields best wins. He gave me Tony Tucker .

What he says clearly isn't credible at all. What the posters have been saying speaks for itself. I have never been in a thread with as many '**** off's' or 'go and die's' before. the fact that you are defending him, even when not adresses, speaks volumes about you aswell. If you agree with what the OP is saying, do what he hasn't, and prove to me that Lennox's resume is not the best of his era. Or optionly, you could read through this thread again, look at the sensible, unbiased posts, and you will see that the OP is wrong.

 

When one is a clear, undebatable robbery, it's fair to include it. Lewis did beat Holyfield twice, even if the judges gave Holyfield an embarrassing, even for him, draw.

 

Do have any brain cells at all?

 

Its more to do with the fact that posts like that of the thread starter are so painfully inadequate they don't deserve other people's time.

Just a "****" is to the point and quite appropriate.

 

WTF are you talking about.

Who said they didn't count? No one did

If you want to count a draw against Holyfield as one his 3 best wins that's your problem.

It is a bit comical that you have to rely on a draw as one of the 'best wins' though

 

You've got that wrong. The reason Lewis didn't accept the offer to fight Tyson, is because a fight with Bowe was almost set. That would also have been a unification bout and Lewis accepted on the promise that a fight with Tyson would be next, and make both sides even bigger money, provided Lewis and Tyson both won their fights. As it happened, the Bowe fight didn't go ahead, because of Bowe's blatant duck, but the idea that Lewis is at any fault, which you are saying, isn't accurate. It made financial sense for both sides and Tyson's camp wanted it to happen as much as Lewis's.

At the time though, Tyson beating Seldon, Lewis beating Bowe and then Lewis vs. Tyson was the right idea. No-one can disagree with that, I don't think. Bowe ducking Lewis ****ed it all up though.

Though honestly, at the time, Bowe was a better fighter than Tyson, so the fact Lewis chose to go through him first is hardly a knock on him, is it? Lewis always wanted Tyson and only accepted the $4m because a fight in the future was promised.

You're right to say Lewis didn't go for the fight at that stage, but you're putting an unfair spin on it. Like I pointed out earlier on though, you criticized Lewis for not fighting Byrd and Sanders, yet also criticized him because Bowe, Holyfield and Tyson didn't fight him, which is a clear case of double standards.

 

Actually it seems it's your problem.

The only thing comical is your denial of Lewis' achievements.

 

You mean in your opinion and a few others of Lewis fans

Well you've only been a member for less than a year, stick around there are plenty about. The Lounge is quite colourful

Actually the fact you've drawn that conclusion from what I said says more about you

 

Why is it my problem? If you think Lewis' 3 best wins consists of a draw against a past prime fighter that's your business. Goodluck with that.

I'm not a Lewis hater, I think he was a very good fighter but I believe he can be highly overrated on esb

 

Under what basis do you conclude those posters where Lewis fans? Some of them did not post again in the thread, so it's impossible for you to make that conclusion. They saw that what the OP had posted was mindless, biased bullcrap. You are in the minority.

I regularly post in the lounge. And even in this years shameless grillings of Rico Spadafora and Mr VIP, I recall seeing less abuse than in this thread. Posters who are normally mild mannered want the OP's head on a stick, and it's not because they're Lewis fans.

No it doesn't. You're defending an un-defendable cause and looking less than credible in the process. Quit while your ahead mate.

 

Highly overrated?

I said earlier that Lewis would be in most people's top ten ATG heavyweight lists.

Name me ten who were better.

 

Did I say you highly overrated him? I was referring to posts which, for example, say he was better than Ali.

He is also in my top 10.

 

How did Lennox ever get away with not fighting Moorer?