Lennox Lewis: the Clever Con-Artist

Lewis was a solid heavyweight but he never fought prime Tyson or Bowe. He did wipe out mental case Golota, even though Golota was the favorite.

 

Great. We're in agreement then.:good

What are his top three wins for you?

 

Moorer wasn't ranked by the WBC. As soon as Moorer became relevant (won a title) he got knocked out by George Foreman. Lewis was working on winning his old belt back, and Moorer slipped into obscurity after the Foreman loss.

 

Who out of the top ATGs did fight a prime Tyson though?

I can't think of any.

That doesn't mean Tyson was better than Ali or Louis though, does it?

As for Bowe, he ducked Lewis no question. I think that says enough about Bowe's thoughts on his chances of beating Lennox.

 

I always love the way you big up Holyfield for beating Bowe once in a trilogy, call Lewis glass jawed for losing yet ignore Holys horrible stoppage against Bowe in that third fight :rofl

On top of that, in every Roy Jones thread on here you go to great lengths to point out how Tarver was Jones daddy because he knocked him out and won 2 out of 3 matches, it's ****ing hilarious the double standards you come out with, it really is.

 

Again you fail to mention his TWO prime losses to Bowe, the guy that was **** scared of Lewis. You also fail to mention the brutal chin checking that Smokin' Bert Cooper gave him :rofl:rofl:rofl

 

Yeah man... I gotta say- i HATE lennox Lewis, but I can't deny that he is def top 20 ATG HW.

You can't say he was only fighting fat slobs- thats only on THEM! You know? Tue could have lost weight- he wasnt over the hill yet. He chose not to. It isn't lennox's fault that Tua didn't have the tenacity to get inside on lewis.

Lewis's critics all say that he didn't come to america until the division had gone past their prime. I say, before Lewis came to America he had hardly a name for himself, he needed to build his name locally before he could go abroad. Would Floyd have been a draw if he fought Hatton in Manchester before his Corrales fight? No- he had no claim to fame amongst his own hometown fans yet! What kind of draw could he have been abroad?

I will say- it is my opinion that Lewis was protected and I judge him for not taking a Wlad fight, he would have cemented his spot in the top 10 with a victory over wlad. But I honestly think that Lewis could have won it as well. He has the speed and ability to produce accurate potshots like Valuev!

 

I never really liked Lewis, but there's no denying this: Lewis is right up there with the best in the history of the sport.

 

You know you're Lewis-bashing thread has backfired sensationally when the Klit-huggers start defending him.

 

Wow, you really have your facts twisted.:rofl That's a funny story.

 

Lewis did look to me, to take the easier fights, especially timing wise. Credit to him for fighting guys like Mercer, even if he was coming off a draw to a 7-9 fighter and a loss to Holyfield...I still think Mercer won that fight.

He should have fought Holyfield earlier and I felt Holyfield won the 2nd fight, even if the make-up decision went to Lewis. If Akinwande deserved to be disqualified (I was at that fight), then so did Lewis vs Holyfield...

Should have fought Tua after he KO'd Ruiz, and if not then, then definately after he debatably lost to Ibeabuchi, and if not then, then definately after he KO'd Rahman...Should have fought Ibeabuchi after he beat Tua...

Credit to Lewis for fighting Golota, of course coming off 2 losses and mentally messed up, very much like the rematch vs McCall...And as silly as this sounds, should have fought Ruiz, a much tougher fight than most would think...

He should have fought Bowe but, Bowe pussed out...

He should have fought Wlad (I thought Wlad was better than Vitali at the time) instead of Vitali...And I think Vitali wins that rematch, had Lewis not retired...And I think he does to Wlad what Corrie Sanders did to him (See Golota)...

But, when I look back, Lewis fought many of the top fighters of his era, and he did stand out as the top fighter for about 6-7 years...Vitali showed Lewis had a much better chin than I thought previously thought, previous notions right or wrong...And as much as I did not like his safety first approach at times, he was smart and he was a warrior...

As critical of him as I was, I truly see that as a Champion, he did the sport proud, one heck of a fighter...And he is missed in the sport...I really enjoy him as a commentator too...I wouldn't rate him above Ali or Louis (even if head to head I think Lewis beats the 190lb Louis) but, he's in the top 10, maybe top 5...Above all of the hyper-criticism, I think that says it all, he is an ATG...

 

No, it's a fact.

You say "Lewis turned down $13m" or whatever, yet conveniently ignore the fact that, when he did turn it down, he did so because he was promised a fight with Tyson directly after the Seldon fight. That's irrefutable and the fact you don't mention it, means you either don't know, or, as I suspect, you're conveniently leaving it out because it doesn't suit your argument.

...but you did that when you criticized Lewis for not fighting Byrd and Sanders, and earlier on, criticized Lewis for being ducked. An obvious case of double standards, so I probably shouldn't be surprised that you happily left out the fact that when Lewis turned the offer down, he did so with a promise of a fight post-Seldon.

 

WTF? In your last post you said it was because a fight with Bowe was almost set.:rofl Which is complete nonsense.

Also, if you could read... you would see that I certainly didn't leave out the fact that Tyson was "supposed" to fight Lewis afterward. I clearly addressed it many times in this thread. As I already said... it was a well known fact to EVERYONE at the time that one Lewis turned down the fight and chose to take step aside money, that Tyson would be fighting Holyfield after. That is the fight that everyone wanted to see. You certainly didn't hear any fans crying about Tyson not fighting Lewis. That's my point... Tyson had bigger fights out there for him... Lewis didn't. Tyson offered Lewis a fight... Lewis turned it down. It's Lewis' fault that fight didn't take place. He took the risk of Tyson either losing, or moving on to the fight with Holyfield that everyone wanted to see. Why on earth would Tyson have bothered to unify, and then come back to the relatively unknown Lewis when Tyson vs Holyfield was the biggest fight in boxing?

Bottom line.... Lennox Lewis should have taken that fight when it was offered to him. Much more money than he had ever made, and a chance at the biggest cash cow the division had ever seen. Let alone a chance to immediately rise to the top of the heavyweight division and have all of the big fights flow through him. Lewis dropped the ball, and he can only blame himself.

 

Seriously dude....don't even bother arguing with Window....he's what's known over here as a window licker :good

He thinks Lewis ducked Sanders, because he fought the guy that beat Sanders, for ****s sake :rofl He also thinks Lewis ducked WALDO after WALDO lost to Sanders, the guy that lost to the guy he was busy fighting at the time :rofl:rofl:rofl

**** is too funny. He'll also claim that Lewis win over VITLAY didn't count, if you let him ramble on enough.

 

Fighters peak at different times.

Lewis was more shot than Holy was. Hell, Holy had just destroyed Tyson and Moorer.

Lewis looked past it in his previous fight.