Lennox Lewis: the Clever Con-Artist

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  1. BEASTLY PEPE

    BEASTLY PEPE Guest

    Really that article proves that Bowe tried to make a fight with Lennox 2 months after he dumped some paper belt in the trash, Bowe still held the WBA and IBF titles. That article clearly shows that Lennox rejected and went on to fight the likes of Tucker, Bruno, Mccall and Fortune:roll: with his fake ass heavyweight championship he got for beating Razor Ruddock? Who the hell did Ruddock ever beat?lol
     
  2. BEASTLY PEPE

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    Remind me how long it took Lennox to become undisputed heavyweight champion? Tyson, Holyfield and Bowe all did it rather quickly:think
     
  3. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Funny, not only did Lewis end up beating them all, but he's the only one out of the four who isn't broke or in the case of Tyson filed for bankruptcy.

    Decipline applies to life, not just the boxing ring.
     
  4. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This is hilarious. So now you're actually comparing Bowe's career to Lewis's that's a joke. Bowe's forever going to be known as the guy who lost to Lewis in the olympics and when he had a chance to avenge his lost, bailed out on a signed legal contract to fight him, and they went on to obscurity. There really was no need for any negoiations as this had been agreed to prior to Bowe fighting Holyfield and Lewis fighting Ruddock.

    IT WAS A SIGNED LEGAL AGREEMENT, WHICH BOWE DUCKED OUT OF.

    Had he fought and beat Lewis, he would likely have been ranked ahead of the other three. (ie Tyson, Holyfield, and Lewis) but as things stand, he's not even in the discussion, he's a side note, that's how important that fight was.
     
  5. DDDUUDDDEE

    DDDUUDDDEE Undisputed Ambien (taker) Full Member

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    Are people actually trying to argue that Lennox ducked Bowe now?

    Holy ****. This is gold.
     
  6. dmille

    dmille We knew, about Tszyu, before you. Full Member

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    Tyson didn't win the undisputed title until he defeated Spinks. And Bowe never defended the undisputed title.
     
  7. dmille

    dmille We knew, about Tszyu, before you. Full Member

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    Both Bowe and Tyson also ended up doing prison time as well. And let's not forget Bowe's fiasco with the USMC.
     
  8. Zakman

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    Dempsey is criminally underrated by modern boxing fans. Lewis, on the other hand is ridiculously overrated.

    When the people who actually saw Dempsey fight were still alive, the discussion of who was the greatest ever BEGAN with Dempsey. As those who actually saw him and knew of his accomplishments and talents firsthand have died off, he has become underrated.

    Now, there is a tendency to automatically overrate modern fighters in general, this NONSENSE about today's fighters somehow being "better." If anything, the opposite is true. Fighters in Dempsey's time actually had to FIGHT. They didn't, like Lewis, have the luxury of referees helping protect their fragile chins. They had to fight like men!

    But even if we were to say that Dempsey should be rated lower than I suggest, Lewis - who has the unique "achievement" of being the only top level HW champ taken out early twice when he held the title - doesn't deserve to be ranked in the top ten. Top ten HWs don't get laid out by ham and eggers when they are in the heart of their career ONCE, let alone twice!
     
  9. Vanboxingfan

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    My thoughts exactly. :lol:
     
  10. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    For starters it probably began with Sullivan, or for sure by the time Jeffries was fighting. But I do agree that as of the 50's Dempsey as considered the best ever, then for whatever reason Louis jumped over him. But that may be more of a H2H thing than in terms of career accomplishments, but in either case one can't honestly expect someone who weighted under 200lb to honestly go H2H against the likes of Lewis and win. And as far as Lewis goes, you don't seem to have the ability to look at his whole career. You're simply stuck on his two KO's. Meanwhile Tyson's been KO'd more times than Lewis, and even the great Dempsey you're so found of, lost to Fireman Jim Fynn by KO.

    And honstly, Dempsey's actually career at the top was rather disappointing in terms of title defenses and longivity.

    Today Dempsey, Louis, Marciano would be considered cruiser weights, and Frazier could likely have fought in that division as well.
     
  11. BEASTLY PEPE

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    Lennox won his undisputed title by beating Holyfield the same man Bowe defeated in 1992, difference being that Lewis fought Holyfield who was 7 years older:roll:
     
  12. BEASTLY PEPE

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    Who gives a **** if he filed for bankruptcy, money is made to be spent. Don't act like you know lennox lewis, he could be dressing up as a woman in his bedroom and you wouldn't know. This is boxing not a life forum.

    I've posted that article a million times, Bowe didn't duck ****, there's no rule that says you have to let the WBC involved in your fights.
     
  13. McGrain

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    Do top ten heavyweights get laid out by "ham and eggers" (another spastic phrase which makes about as much sense when used by you as "glass jaw") in the first round? Because this happened to Jack Dempsey. One round. Non-puncher. KO'd. 30% KO.

    And here's another statistic for you - Lennox Lewis beat more top 10 contenders than any HW since Ali.

    Jack Dempsey NEVER met his #1 contender throughout his entire career.

    And before someone starts squalling about race, and the times, Dempsey also failed to meet one of his top white contenders, a man who chased him for 7 years, Harry Greb.

    Ranking Dempsey at #3 is ridiculous.
     
  14. BEASTLY PEPE

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    :?We're talking about the WBC the organization that ranks Kelly Pavlik as the #1 contender at SMW.
     
  15. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There is when there's legal contracts signed. But apparently that's beyond your comprehension. I also don't suppose you understand the implications of him not fighting Lewis, even though I spelled it out to you. Most who try to defend Bowe in this situation, at least acknowledge he screwed up his career royally by not taking that fight.

    Man you really are a newby :yep