Lennox Lewis v Rocky Marciano

Why?

 

This boils down to "you can't pick Lewis by blow out because Marciano was never blown out". But he never fought a 250lb fighter with ATG skill either. This is a meaningless argument.

This, if you're honest, is the whole crux. You don't like it when people pick Lewis to win dramatically and by early knockout because it's disrespectful towards your favourite. Fair enough. But all the bizarre make believe that goes with it in a vain effort to try to support it is just lunacy.

If it makes you feel any better, I predict that Marvin Hagler would blow Sandy Saddler out early.

it's just bull from start to finish when you are actually asked to explain yourself. Paul Damaski was one of several men who predicted a first round knockout of Schmeling by Louis.

Al Bonanni predicted a first round knockout of Spinks by Tyson.

And that's just off the top of my head.

This is a completely different argument. As is your fate, you default to an argument, however disguised, for a Marciano victory. But we are not discussing victory. We are discussing your claims that a) when very quick blow outs occur they are never predicted and b) a very quick blow out is unreasonable to predict when a 250lb fighter who is world class meets a 185lb fighter who is world class.

The fact that they happen between world class opponents who do NOT have sixty pounds between them should be ample proof for anyone of a normal bent that it is a possibility.

I reject your position.

 

So your reaction to all of that, the proof of your "impossible to predict" shat is just that, the exposure of your misdirection back to Rahman and McCall upon its being proved, examples of world class fighters blowing out world class fighters - your reaction to all of that is to ask me if a hypothetical fighter in a hypothetical future with a hypothetical weight advantage of 60lbs would beat Muhamad Ali?



You literally couldn't make it up.

I'll give you answer because I know that if I don't provide one, you will hammer the point into the ground for the next six months believing it some sort of checkmate. My answer is no. Not because Ali was "too good a fighter". But because Ali is a defensive specialist who excelled, in his prime, at not getting hit. He is NOT, a pure pressure fighter who would drive forwards into this totally imaginary behemoth.

Incredible.

 

1) I have no problem with someone saying it won't be a blow out. That's possible. I do have a problem with someone saying a) that blow outs are never predicted when two great fighters meet when it is demonstrably not true and b) that it is not reasonable to predict a blow out because they don't happen between two great fighters when they demonstrably do.


2) This Billups thing. I don't get it at all. You are looking at Levi Billups? This is the Billups that Lewis fought when he had had eighteen fights?

Why? Why would you do that? I can only guess what the Marciano Mafia would do if I started insisting that Marciano would lose to Lewis because Marciano struggled with LaStarza in 1950. People would have a ****ing fit.

Look at Tyson - yes, shot, yes, much better than Billups - in a fight much closer to Lewis's prime to get some idea of how hard it is to close the distance. Look at David Tua. Looking at Billups for instruction on how Marciano might close the distance with prime Lennox Lewis is so bizarre i'm not even sure it's dishonest - it might just be wrong-headed.

Let me tell you what baring the Billups fight has on a possible Lewis-Marciano fight: nothing. Nothing at all. He changed so dramatically between then and prime that it's literally meaningless.

Boxrec notes for Marciano's eighteenth contest, with 13-7 Harry Haft who had lost five of his last six contests - "As usual, Marciano was all fury and no finesse" - well, that's settled then, isn't it? Marciano? No finesse? He can't beat prime Lewis with no finesse, discussion over.


Leave the Billups stuff alone guys. It's an embarrassment.

 

Absolutely. Marciano is one of the most dangerous fighters ever ot have lived. For his poundage. It's not insulting or disrespectful to pick someone so much bigger than him over him, even by sudden KO.

 

If a huge booming puncher that has an advantage over Mike Tyson of:

7" in height
16" in reach
60lbs in weight.

AND is of the world class. Yes. Such a prediction will be reasonable. As demonstrated by boxing history. ATG granite chinned fighters get knocked out early by fighters their own size. It does happen.

So what about the early knockouts OF great fighters that happened early? Do you think they happened?

Now you're not; but you did.

:rofl SO, you're now on record stating that punchers who score early knockouts over other excellent fighters have achieved a fluke (your early explanation for why Liston-Patterson "doesn't matter as much") AND that people who predict exactly what is going to happen in fights that then happen in those fights are still also "hardly logical" and "a fluke".

I'll give you this choklab: you are consistent with your nonsense.

:rofl Langford-Flowers was a meeting between one of the greatest fighters in history and the first black middleweight champion of the world. McLarnin-Corbett was a meeting between two ATGs and one of the biggest fights of the year it took place in. Then you have the ones YOU brought up, like Spinks-Tyson and Louis-Schmeling two of the most infamous fights in history.

Well Bonnani picked Spinks to lose in one round after running the rule over each man at the final press conference.

Damaski new Schmeling the fighter very well and although he only saw film of Louis (I think), he predicted based upon that film that Schmeling wouldn't last around.

After seeing film of Lewis and Marciano, it is apparent to some of us that Marciano would get stopped quickly by Lewis. We could be wrong, we could be right, but this position you have that it's unreasonable to even make such a pick is ludicrous. I mean really funny.

Honestly choklab, when it comes to Marciano you are just a breathing, typing, joke.

 

but it's my pick. I might be wrong, I might be right, but you are literally saying it is not valid to pick a MW to stop a FW by early KO what's wrong with you??

15lb weight advantage, far smaller % of body weight invovled than the Marciano-Lewis equation where Marciano and Saddler give up a higher percentage of their own body weight ( one third in Marcian's case - i'm actually being kind with my example!!) in a disadvantage and DeLeon isn't in the same class as Hagler whereas Lewis is with Marciano and Hagler is with Sadler

But I think it gets very tough for Marvin once he gets up to 190, 200lbs, sure. Goes without saying.

Other than that, good post.