Lennox Lewis v Rocky Marciano

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  1. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    So eloquently put. Rather revealing. And yet all so disturbing at the same time.

    Those fights were incredibly tedius lumbering efforts and I am certain you would know this if you watched those fights whilst being able to understand them at the same time.
     
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  2. Balder

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    Just making a point.

    Tyson would be far smaller and lighter vs Valuev, than Marciano would be against Lennox.

    You realize this right?
     
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  3. uncletermite

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    You do realize Valuev is not Lewis and Marciano certainly no Tyson right?Valuev doesn't even get by Marciano probably,and really Valuev is just a better version of Carnera which isn't saying much at all.You need to take your beer goggles off if I really need to go into full detail why your entire argument is as ridiculous as they come.:dead
     
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  4. mcvey

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    I haven't seen a heavyweight boxer in better shape than Marciano he trained like a maniac because his style dictated that he had to.
     
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  5. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Marciano was FIVE FEET TEN AND ONE HALF INCHES TALL .
    For once and for all.:fire
     
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  6. mcvey

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    THIRTY F*CKING PAGES!
    And Mr Magoo asked me why I was bothering to make such a mismatch thread?
    TRIPLE MS!!! MARCIANO MYTH MAKERS!:happy:lol:
     
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  7. BCS8

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    Hang on, so if Lewis was 225, and Carnera was 275, then ... I predict a blowout in the first round! OMG 50lb weight advantage!!! And Dustin Nichols would be a massacre! :hey You totally make sense now ;)
     
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  8. BCS8

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    Certain posters here seem to believe that Billups > Marciano. :roll: That's why I keep mentioning it. Look, I actually think Billups wasn't that bad. He was a game, tough fighter who had a good chin and lots of grit. But > Marciano? Le sigh ...
     
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  9. Balder

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    Well then argue with Wikipedia.

    It says 5'11"
     
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  10. Foxy 01

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    SIT, and STAY.
     
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  11. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I would pick Holyfeild to win too but Hagler deserves more credit than one round blow out victim on his best night. I think that is disrespectful towards one great fighter who was never knocked out. I think because we are talking about ATG fighters it's not as simple as "any manufactured heavyweight always knocks out a middleweight, sometimes in the first round" you have to take into account all the fighters who lasted more than one round against Holyfeild like Bobby Cyz, Seamus McDonough and Ossie Ocassio. Yes they were all bigger than Marvin but the gulf in all time greatness must supply some hope against the size deficits between Marvin and some of those fellows. A one round blowout is a tough result to pick between two guys on their best night. They happen but can they happen on the best night of a great fighter even with the odds against them? usually there is an excuse of some description. On their best night a great fighter is instinctive, alert and focussed. Sure he can lose if he he gets his lights punched out but he will be pumped up enough to at least go down trying in that condition against any odds. One round is way too early.
     
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  12. Foxy 01

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    The first rule you have to learn with Marciano fans is they exaggerate beyond all belief. When Marciano can be seen on film saying " What you have to understand is my reach was only 67 inches " there is a very strong possibility he would know more about his body than his latter day fanboys.

    Other than using the insidious " N " word I can't think of a nastier way to insult a prime Louis, Liston, Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, and Lewis, than comparing them to a stumpy little 185lb fighter with sh it balance, incredibly limited skills, who was easier to hit than a cows ass with a banjo.

    WTF is this imbecilic garbage about " overwhelming desire to win " a " huge heart " or " incredible stamina "?

    What is the implication here? That bigger, stronger, faster, harder hitting, black guys don't possess these qualities too?

    It is insidious to the core.
     
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  13. Foxy 01

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    Apart from the fact that Carnera retired a year before Marciano turned pro, your drivel would make perfect sense.



































    To an amoeba. :roll::roll:
     
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  14. McGrain

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    1) I didn't pick Holyfield to knock out Hagler in one round. CHOKLAB, FOR CHRIST SAKE, READ MY POSTS PROPERLY. Just read them before you respond to them, it makes it so much easier.

    2) It's not about "credit". You've got that all wrong. I can consider Marciano one of the greats for his poundage, pick Lewis to beat him early without ever having fostered disprespect or a lack of credit.

    Nobody has said that you crazy, crazy man.

    Yes, Marvin's greatness is such that it is reasonable to pick him to last longer than 3 or 4 rounds (my actual pick which you seem to have hysterically overlooked). I have never, at any time contradicted this. You are LITERALLY arguing with yourself.

    I am going to try to sum up my argument now in two or three lines. It shouldn't be necessary - an adult should be able to follow the thread. I want you to really really read this, read it a couple of times, try to commit it to memory. IF you want to continue this conversation, please read it every 2 or 3 posts so you don't vanish on a tangent again:

    I am not arguing that it is unreasonable to pick Hagler to box past four rounds against Holfyield. I am not arguing that it is unreasonable to pick Marciano to box past four rounds against Lewis. I AM ARGUING THAT YOUR POSITION, THAT PICKING 200LB HOLYFIELD TO KO 160LB MARVIN HAGLER EARLY IS UNREASONABLE. I AM ARGUING THAT YOUR POSITION THAT PICKING LEWIS TO DEFEAT MARCIANO BY KO IS UNREASONABLE.

    Well done; i mean that - well done. This is progress. Not long ago you were almost literally trying to argue that it was impossible for this to happen.

    If you are saying "I wish to argue against Lewis KO1 Marciano", no problem. But you have been saying "You can't pick a first round KO because they're impossible to predict (Debunked)/they don't happen between great fighters (Debunked)" then that's preposterous.

    You need a very good reason to pick KO1 as a result between very good/great fighters. Examples might include a very direct clash of styles complete with good, not great chins, a susceptibility to a given punch, the likelyhood of very ferocious exchanges (I went for a very early KO when Benn met Barkley for example, although I didn't state first round).

    On this occasion -- it is believed by some that the sixty pound weight advantage, enormous reach advantage and style advantage enjoyed by Lennox Lewis would result in a very early knockout in their fight.

    There is nothing unreasonable, or wrong, or illogical in this pick. It's a reasonable pick IMO. It can be argued against, yes.
     
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  15. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Ok then I will reasonably argue against the possibility of an early blow out because I consider them unlikely.

    Actually, saying that I must admit I bet on and won money on Joe Calzaghe beating Tocker Pudwill in the first round. I was live at ringside, even though I was drunk I worried through the whole first ten seconds thinking I had been outrageously stupid betting on the first round. It had been a drunken protest bet I took at the betting stand moments before the fight because Pudwill was such a poor opponent yet I was relieved that my foolishness paid off. I'm not saying I am cheap with money but the fight sobered me up entirely. Ricky Hatton won that night too and I think big John McDermott. So having actually profited from a one round blow out I still think it was a bit of a stupid bet. But I was drunk.:yep
     
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