Lennox Lewis v Rocky Marciano

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by mcvey, Jul 25, 2015.


  1. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

    27,674
    7,654
    Dec 31, 2009
    Louis would not stop mercer that’s for sure. I said old Louis was was the equal of mercer not that he’d beat him. I don’t think Mercer was necessarily good enough to knockout Louis though. What was Mercer’s best win?

    If Mercer couldn’t beat Old man Holmes he’s not beating a younger comeback Joe Louis By knockout.
     
    Last edited: Sep 11, 2020
    Gazelle Punch likes this.
  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    97,740
    29,094
    Jun 2, 2006
    That Holmes would have beaten Louis without too much trouble Louis was never the same after the War.
    He said himself his last good fight was against Mauriello and that was in1942!
     
  3. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

    7,097
    8,790
    Aug 15, 2018
    Wow that’s pretty naive...Charles and Moore “blown up LHWs” lmao. Cmon you guys get more and more pathetic with these low iq attacks. Charles was a Hw champion and Moore had a far more impressive Hw record then just about anybody (knocking out plenty of shws along the way).
    FYI Rocky went 11-0 against 200 plus pounders and he knocked them all out. All of them. Good night
     
    choklab likes this.
  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    97,740
    29,094
    Jun 2, 2006
    Charles was better as a lhvy and had won 2 of his last 4 fights,he had over 100 fights on his clock when he faced Rocky. Moore was a great lhvy, not a great hvy and he was 38 according to him and 40 according to his Mother. Marciano never beat a class 200lbs fighter only a washed up Louis.
     
    George Crowcroft likes this.
  5. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

    7,097
    8,790
    Aug 15, 2018
    Charles was coming off of two solid wins against ranked contenders. And Moore is literally probably the best or second best man to never win the HW title. His wins can be compared to anyone’s. Please check out my thread five best contenders...actually getting pretty in depth on all the contenders resumes. Going to make a separate thread when done to vote on whom the top ten are from there. Your opinion is valued would like to hear ur take on it all. Even though we don’t agree much on Marciano I pretty much agree on 99 percent of ur stuff.
    Savold
    Louis
    Cockell
    Schkohr
    Off the top of my head we’re all solid fighters. None were super heavy (maybe Schkohr depending on ur definition) though but all over 200
    Walcott and Layne were border 200
    Big Bill Wilson although nothing special was a solid stepping stone for a lot of HWs then with some ok wins.
     
    choklab likes this.
  6. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

    27,674
    7,654
    Dec 31, 2009
    Agreed. When Rocky fought 200 plus pounders It was good night and god bless. Every time.
     
    Gazelle Punch likes this.
  7. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    97,740
    29,094
    Jun 2, 2006
    Savold was washed up his best weight was around 190/192, Louis was past it. ,Cokkell was a light heavy who developed a glandular problem and was fat ,Shkor was journeyman who had been ko'd in one round by Walcott in his previous fight.Walcott wasnt border 200lbs Layne was soft in the midsection he could have made 190 his whole career , I don't think he was ever over193lbs before the Marciano fight?
     
  8. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

    7,097
    8,790
    Aug 15, 2018
    Most guys today are obese. Far more obese then Cockell or Layne ever was. Hell Layne and Ruiz are the same height but Ruiz has like 70
    Pounds on him lol. Cockell was fighting very well at the time. James Toney was a blown up fighter as well. Think we emphasis to much about weight as opposed to skill. Cockell Savold and Louis were still beating ranked contenders when they were beat (Savold had a little break but was still game and ranked). Walcott was what 196? Layne the same or 194 when Marciano beat them?
     
  9. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    97,740
    29,094
    Jun 2, 2006
    No Cokkell was a fat man 30lbs above his best weight and short for a heavy I've met him.
    My point is ,Marciano was totally unproven against class prime modern sized heavyweights and Lewis was an ATG one.

    Wilson lost over a 3rd of his fights had been beaten by lhvy Danny Nardico in his last one,was stopped 10 times and his 6 previous wins , over nobodies had records of,
    22-3-1
    4-16-0
    3- 15-0
    21-5-3
    1-2-0
    0-2-0
    Furthermore the Marciano fight lasted 1min and 50 seconds, with Wilson sustaining a terrible cut eye.
     
    Last edited: Sep 11, 2020
  10. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

    25,432
    9,421
    Jul 15, 2008
    It's fact.

    Please name the 200 plus pounders and their place in all time heavyweight rankings to qualify them ..
     
    mcvey and Johnny_B like this.
  11. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    97,740
    29,094
    Jun 2, 2006
    You omitted the words prime and class.
     
  12. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

    7,097
    8,790
    Aug 15, 2018
    For who Marciano or Moore? Please explain the relevance of being 200 plus pounds? Is Joe Louis less of a HW at 195? If being heavier is better then the 215 plus version Marciano knocked out must have been better. Not Marcianos fault the big boys with skill at the time (in his reign would prob be Bob Baker and Nino Valdez and I don’t think they stood a chance do you?) couldn’t make the cut . They had shots in title eliminators and couldn’t beat the smaller men. Archie Moore wiped the floor with both of them FYI and other “shws”. This perpetuated myth that heavier equals better is nauseating.
     
  13. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

    7,097
    8,790
    Aug 15, 2018
    What 200 plus pounders around at the time would stand a chance? Not Nino or Baker whom lost to smaller men in title eliminators or regular matches
    You must admit the smaller men reigned at the time and they were VERY good smaller men. Moore Marciano Harold Johnson Walcott Charles
     
  14. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    97,740
    29,094
    Jun 2, 2006
    The relevance is we are matching Marciano against 240lbs plus Lennox Lewis on this thread. Louis was less of a heavyweight because he was washed up! Weill kept Marciano away from Valdes although he was the number one contender in two years!
     
  15. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

    25,432
    9,421
    Jul 15, 2008
    Pivoting I see .. you have nothing but the same recycled nonsense.