I agree that Prime for Prime this is close Regarding Tyson's calibre of opponent though... were they really not tip top heavies or did he just make them look like they were b and c standard? Tyson used to blow people away on a regular basis whereas Lewis didnt really have that (as more of a technician he wouldnt anyway). But I suppose I'm trying to play devils advocate by saying that Tyson's resume may be better than we think and he just made them look bad! I dont vary from my initial point tho, I still fancy Lewis ahead of him. Prime for prime I'd take Tyson over Holyfield but Lewis is just out of his reach for me
I think Tyson's opponents were good, but as Ali proved, there is also a pychological part to boxing - and the fact that Tyson's opponents looked resigned to defeat before they enetered the ring - was an asset to Tyson, he intimidated oppponents to the point they believed they could not win - I just feel that this would not have been tha case with Lewis.
Dear PaddyD1983 kind regards In response to your comments. It is a bit of both. Tyson was so tremendous that he could make those opponents look four classes lower than they really were. However, I still stand by my view that Lennox Lewis is a few leagues higher than the opponents that Tyson fought in his prime. I actually think that Holyfield would beat a prime Tyson. Remember that Holyfield took all of Tyson's biggest bombs and manhandled him in 1996. Tyson was still a formidable force in the ring at that time. yours thankfully John
Nice post John. I would make the following observations. 1 - Lewis showed himself to be a world class back foot fighter in the first round. Tyson won that round, on the aggression, the work-rate (he also recalled his jab and head movement for those three minutes), BUT Lewis won the fight in that round. He didn't **** on himself and he also landed TWO picture perfect uppercuts (Lewis is one of the greatest uppercutters int he divisions history in my view) off the back foot, Tyson was hurt in spite of the fact that he dominated the round and he came out for the second round discouraged. 2 - Lewis showed himself to be a world class defensive infighter. "Make this a very ugly fight. Be on this man's chest." This was Tyson's advice in the corner, and it was accurate. Lewis leaned and pushed to the point where Tyson was innaffective inside. He used his superior strength and height to man-handle Mike and neutralise the fighter where he was at his most dangerous. Tyson was lost, and the leaning exhausted him. When Lewis was (correctly, in my view) docked for this action, he controlled a diminished Tyson with positioning, footwork, punching, and appeals to the referee. 3 - Tyson showed great heart and chin. I voted for Lewis. I wouldn't be laying any money on the fight, because it's pretty close to 50.50, taking into account Lewis' chin (not as bad as people make out, but Tyson is lightning quick and hits hard) and Tyson's aggression, but in an imagined PRIME for PRIME fight I lean to Lewis. The irony is, when Tyson ducked Lewis in favour of Hollyfield, his chances were probably not to bad.
I can see what you are saying John, but one thing that people forget is that Tyson tore through the entire division with ease making his opponents look worse than they actually were. It was just that Tyson was head and shoulders above everyone at that time that it makes it look as though he didnt have a challenge. I know i will get ripped for saying this but Tyson actually has a very good resume and his KO over Larry Holmes, despite his age was very impressive. People often forget that after this Holmes went on to take Holy the distance, beat Mercer and had other wins so its not as if he was Ali like against Berbick at the time he fought Tyson. Holmes also had an amazing jab, one of the best inthe business and was not the type to be intimidated. I know Holmes was past his best and im not comparing this fight to a Lewis fight i just think that this win is often degraded by haters when in fact it was a very good KO win. Knowone else has ever done what Tyson did to Holmes. I think Tyson vs Lewis prime for prime would be a classic match up of styles and very entertaining. I'd still pick Tyson by Ko though :good Very good thread by the way John, as have your other fantasy/back in time threads.
Yeah, he looked awkward allright. The tinkering Stweard did made Lewis a much better finisher and more accurate generally. This is a fair observation, and peak Tyson would be a good bet against Bruno-era Lewis.
I totally agree with this post. Tyson has an good resume, he beat a lot of very, very good fighters. He doesn't have the great fighter on his resume is all.
More or less a 50/50 fight. Tyson early or Lewis, either by late TKO or points. Maybe just edging toward a Lewis win.
Prime for prime, Tyson takes Lewis out early. If McCall and Rahman could take advantage of those shaky whiskers, a prime Tyson most certainly could.
:good I concur. Hollyfield may be Tyson's cryptonite, out of all the fighers in the division's history. He was unlucky to share an era with this man. I wonder how Charles would have fared with Tyson? Probably not big enough, but his style is reminiscint of Hollyfield's (or the other way around).
If you had told me then that the Pepe trained Lewis would end up going on to be the man in the division in years to come id have told you to quit the hallucinagenics lol Peak Tyson would have done Bruno-era Lewis in a similar fashion to which he done Bruno. If i recall correctly, Bruno wobbled Lewis a cpl of times and was ahead on the cards before he done the inevitable Bruno and got caught. Lewis looked like garbage against Bruno if i remember and he was an ******* at the time aswell.
You are quite right. Bruno out-jabbed Lewis, who was horribly off balance throughout, and wasn't properly warmed up before he got into the ring (what the **** is a trainer for if it's not making sure his man is warm???) was indeed behind on the cards. Then when Lewis hurt Bruno, it became perhaps the ugliest finish i've ever seen. Lewis would have been mashed by a great fighter that night.